Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua vs. Alexander Vladimirovich Povetkin

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AJ or the Russiann Vityaz

Poll closed Sep 22, 2018.
  1. Joshua on points

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  2. Joshua by stoppage

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  3. Draw

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  4. Povetkin on points

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  5. Povetkin by stoppage

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  1. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder of course.

    Before Wilder or Joshua even debuted Povetkin was already being a tinkerbell. Avoiding the good Dr.Steelhammer. Eventually, later, when Wlad's old, doesn't make it better it makes it worse. The ****er waited a whole career to fight Wlad and what did he do? Stank the joint up with his va-gin.

    When Wilder and Fury debuted there was also Price and Mitchell so, ya know, debates and ****. I'm proud of my boys juxtaposed to those guys given so many people told us it's Seth whose bad and Price who's a killer.

    Point is while my dislike for Povetkin and his career path grew so did my appreciation for Wilder and Fury. By the time Pov fought Wlad I was ready for the kids to show these old sissy boys what's good. Especially Povetkin. I've wanted Povetkin against a young buck for ages.

    I was a fan of Joshua's until Martin called him out and he had to be embarrassed into fighting Martin. I said it then, this kid is just a stone's throw away from Povetkin level pussism. He's got that fear in him. Hesitation to jump on the opportunity to get the title that was more of a joke than anything and would have been even if Glaz didn't hurt his knee or whatever the **** he popped out of place and won it. That was a sad as **** title fight and anyone not willing to jump on the winner of that **** is a damn ***** and a bum, but Joshua did it so I was like ya know maybe I was too harsh. Then he does this ***** juxtaposition **** and I was right on it. How the **** you gonna say you're not sure you're ready for a title against Martin then immediately fight a Wilder leftover? Been on track to fight Wilder for a long ass time. Keep in mind when he was talking to Martin they were telling Martin they have a fight with Takam lined up for an elim. **** around and the motherfuker fights Takam years laters as replacement because ya know...Carlos is ready whenever Eddie's ready yeah? Drops some **** about not being ready for Wilder....hmmm heard that **** before. At best he's a manipulator who doesn't mind looking soft to get money. At worst he's another Povetkin but younger and bigger.

    Fact is I never liked Povetkin, I liked Joshua until he started crying about pressure, and Wilder's never done anything that makes me think he's a *****. Regardless of Wilder, even if Wilder didn't exist, Joshua has already acted like a *****. Povetkin whole career is a testament to his willingness to risk anything. The only time Wilder's made to look like a ***** is when some ***** who has a history of being a ***** spins their ***** nonsense to blame him.

    Wilder plays the role I like. What did he call Joshua? How many time have I called members of this forum and fighters pussies before Wilder ever called anyone a ***** publically? Dude speaks my language. He fights how I'd like to see a fighter fight too. My name is Glaukos for a reason, I prize the Spartan training in boxing over the Jewish art. The left is his shield, the right is his sword, I'm down.
     
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  2. edabomb

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    I've heard that whenever Povetkin was struggling to get motivated for road work they just brought Pricey in to clip him and he would run a marathon backwards.
     
  3. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Wilder fights like a true gladiator. Even enters the ring like one. Outside the ring he conducts himself as a warrior, with none of this fake nice guy act to appease a few fairy's who don't understand that this is the blood game.

    Its the same with Tyson Fury, no bs, just a man speaking his mind and not comprising his own values to appease others.

    We know the moment Joshua starts talking about his real political views, they'll turn on him, but he's too much of a ***** to say what he really thinks. And so we get this contrived manufactured scripted spiel every time.

    Today's boring press conference was more evidence of that. When the real champions Fury Wilder are in the building, you stand up and listen, because you know you are going to be entertained and going to hear a legendary quote from their mouths.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Hm. Seems you care more about personalities and what I call the sport's "TMZ" facet than I do. I prefer to base my rooting interests on what is done inside the ring, and I lean heavily in the direction of technicians for the most part...so Povetkin is on the more favorable end of my spectrum than Wilder (or than Joshua, for that matter, although by a bit less of a yawning chasm - actually I'd say in terms of technicality Joshua falls somewhere in the middle, realistically probably dead average in the heavyweight population at large and in this context very much the mean & median when compared with the highly craft-oriented Povetkin and the disorganized yet effective Wilder).

    Now, that said, I'm not made of stone, and personalities do affect my view of a fighter to some extent - and of course it always satisfies me immensely to see ethically bereft monsters like Adonis Stevenson or James Butler or Eric Morel get their comeuppance in the ring and cop huge beatings. I was initially 100% behind Wilder, before he turned pro, when he made the Olympics on such a scant amateur pedigree and had that heartwarming backstory with the sick daughter and everything. During interviews back then he seemed even downright humble & likable.

    Much has changed since then, however - both the (IMO accurate) claims that his career has been delicately manufactured to protect him from threats culminating in this farcical WBC title reign - and his attitude. Perhaps if the latter had remained stable it would help balm the sting of the former. Alas.

    For the record I used to hate Povetkin. I cheered on Eddie Chambers wildly, screaming myself hoarse in the first half of their encounter - then watched, dismayed, as Chambers pulled a "DLH against Mayweather" and sheathed his jab for no explicable reason, giving it away down the stretch. I never forgave Eddie for bottling that one, and curiously, my respect for Povetkin only grew over the years despite having held him in very low regard before that (I saw him as a lazy pampered big fish from the EE amateur pond who couldn't be bothered to stay in shape or train cardio) as he trudged on, kept himself afloat in the rankings, and chased after big names. I don't hold the awfulness of the Klitschko fight against him. Povetkin was gunning for a KO. To be fair, he wasn't good enough on the night to get it - but that is largely due to a much larger Klitschko taking every opportunity to give him the octopus treatment & clinch with nary a care about warnings or deductions.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  7. Faceplant

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    I'm rooting for Povetkin, and I think he may win. Joshua does not have the know how to grab and hold him into submission like Wlad did. This is a very different test to anything Joshua has faced before, I think he may lose.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  9. IntentionalButt

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    Really boring press conference tbh.

    OTOH the actual fight I'm starting to believe could be
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  10. Okin129

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    They both rub me up the wrong way but i like Joshuas fighting style more (at least pre-Wlad).

    Povetkin is one dimensional as ****, always fights with the same patterns over and over again and he can't fight on the backfoot.

    I will be rooting for Joshua because i want to see the Wilder vs Joshua fight as soon as possible and i really don't give a **** about Povetkin.

    My prediction is Joshua by british stoppage in the mid rounds.
     
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  11. GlaukosTheHammer

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    I don't mean to be a dick, but Povetkin chased who down? Warzyk? Povetkin let other fighters build themselves up and get exposed prior to him ever rattling a saber. Dude's got two 0's on his resume and this will be his second real title fight even though he's been a top 10 since 08. Most of the fighters who fought for a title during Povetkin's career debuted before him and fought for a title without having to avoid Povetkin because Povetkin was already avoiding any fights that would line him up with trouble. He has a **** poor resume of flash in the pan HWs who were never very good in the first place and were already on their slide out of ranking.

    Try to look at it from the other perspective. What if you were a fan of Povetkin and were expecting big things then over a whole decade Povetkin manages to do what? Stay afloat? Disappointment at best.

    As far as in ring technicians what do you think I was getting at with the Glaukos comment? I appreciate Daniel Mendoza and everything he brought to the sport, but when push comes to shove I go with the otherside. I am a kinesiologist and patented prosthetics innovator. I understand better than even most trainers who ever lived the ballet of physics I am watching. It's not ignorance, or bloodlust, it's simply what is most impressive to me. I think it's very sad that modern boxing exalts only one form and refuses to even acknowledge the science of the other. As a professional I can't even have a conversation about what I absolutely know to be true about the science of punching power, or to be more specific energy, without getting a unanimous disagreement because you've all been told what boxing is and is not for generations and refuse to allow anymore parameters into ongoing arguments.

    That said, I don't mean to say I am a professional so I'm right. I just mean to say I fully understand the choice I've made when I say things like Glaukos > Melankomas, Marciano > Ali, and Wilder > Joshua. It's not a lack of understanding the technical aspects, culture, or history of "boxing" so much as a wealth of respect for the ******* child of boxing that never really got a real name. "Slaughterer" in Figg's day, "slugger" today and just a whole shitload I'm sure you're well aware of in between, none of which ever bothered to define a well trained power style from a street bum with a punch. In my opinion the techniques required to be a successful HW champion without boxing are far more rare and special than those who require boxing. Superior in every way just far too demanding to expect more than once in a long while. I understand why boxing holds the path that most take to success in such high regard, check it's track record, but that doesn't make it the only means to success nor does it mean everyone who ignores it's teaching to some degree or another do so in the same fashion.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Poll will remain open for a few more hours (but NOT seven more...I'll be manually shutting the valve once they get in the ring in case any sneaky Petes were thinking of taking advantage of the poll's cutoff time with late votes :nonono)