Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua vs. Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk - IB's standalone RBR scorecard

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree. Joshua despite having won 2 rounds clear, did not have a single dominant round. So if you were a judge looking to do the absolute most you could have had it 120-108 for Usyk. It would have been a terrible card, but if you were say a bribed judge you could have at least defended 120-108.

    Usyk had 5 or 6 completely dominant rounds. Hell the last round was getting into 10-8 territory. Even a bribed judge couldnt give Joshua those rounds.

    See the key with bribed judges is plausible deniability. When one guy spends the round bashing the other mans face in you just cant give him the round and maintain plausible deniability.
     
  2. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We're simpatico. Same total, same rounds awarded.

    Like you said, the only two rounds that I considered to be frames that could swing to AJ were the second and fourth. Might rewatch the tenth since Compubox has AJ outlanding Usyk in that frame. Still, Usyk had as strong case for taking the 5th, and the 8th as AJ did for taking the other rounds mentioned. Either way, it unfolded as a clear Usyk victory.
     
  3. shadow111

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    Anotherwords, there were 6 or 7 rounds that were "close enough" for a judge to rob Usyk and award the fight to AJ or score it a draw if the judges were "paid off" or otherwise inclined to score it for AJ.
     
  4. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that while they're business partners and obviously have a lot in common, there is a rift between LOMUS and the Klitsckho brothers. Probably political as Vitali and Vlad are pro euro-Ukraine and Loma is decidedly not. I imagine Usyk and Loma are on the same page, but Usyk has been in promotional dealings with them for a long time now.

    It kind of looked like Usyk thought Vits was there for political/business purposes and not much else. It certainly wasn't how Fury embraced Sugar Hill after his big win, that's for sure...

    Who knows, would be interested to hear from someone who knows more.
     
  5. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Bottom line is: AJ was so bad that even the rigged judges who were promised a gang bang with Hearns’ missus couldn’t score the fight for the bodybuilder. That’s how bad Joshua’s performance was. Let that sink in!
     
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  6. StiffJeb

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    A guess I had was that they (Joshua's team, Eddie's pals) were fully expecting Usyk to come out slow as he often does so that Joshua gets an early lead on the cards, and then nicks it narrowly due to harder punches in the later rounds even if he doesn't get the stoppage.

    I think this is why Foster scored the first two rounds for Joshua ... probably noticed Usyk was outperforming in the early rounds but stuck with the plan anyway. When it became clear that Joshua wasn't winning the fight he was more keen to give rounds to Usyk just to make the final score look semi-plausible.
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    What I don't understand is, say you're Howard John Foster - if you're blatantly bending things beyond belief AJ's way, why not go full-on cartoon villain and give him the fight? I'm glad he didn't, because Usyk deserves the UD and it being anything else would be BS, but ..115-113 is such a bad card, it's like...dude, you obviously WANTED a Joshua win, and wanted to help facilitate that in your scoring, and didn't give a hoot how your scorecard or your integrity looked to the general public...so, why even stop short of robbing Usyk (of the UD at least) on your scorecard?
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    That actually does seem plausible...
     
  9. shadow111

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    Or maybe, just maybe, it took him 2 rounds to adjust to what Usyk was doing and after that, he scored the remainder of the bout accurately.
     
  10. miketysonko

    miketysonko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m guessing the reason being he didn’t want to lose his judging license. You can only go so far before you will be barred from judging a boxing fight ever again. I think he was hoping the other judges would play the ball and have it closer as well, maybe even a split decision, but for his displeasure they didn’t comply, therefor Foster was the only one who stood out. Ouch!
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Do we know the actual RBR array for each official judge's scorecard? I know sometimes they're published and sometimes they're not... If they were posted here I missed the party.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Ah, here...I've found it.

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    So yeah, turns out Foster did give Joshua rounds 1 & 2, and then 5-6 and 8. Essentially my card, except he (incorrectly) gave the first two rounds, which both were clear for Usyk but I guess maybe less eventful and not super dominant as he hadn't yet gotten into his full rhythm yet, to AJ.

    So that does track with the theory of him thinking he could nudge what he saw as "close rounds" Joshua's way all night, until it became quickly apparent in the 3rd that Usyk was going to be dominating at least part of the way to where it was undeniable. Because yeah, from round three on his scorecard is actually, not just sane, but IB™ flawless. :D
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Weisfeld also gave Joshua round 2, not quite as baffling as Foster giving him the first two in a row, but... at least he constrained himself to just the 5th, 6th, and 8th otherwise...and of course Judge of the Night and perfect scorecard award goes to... Viktor Fesechenko, the one guy on the panel none of us had ever heard of before. :lol:
     
  14. shadow111

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    So after the first 2 rounds, Foster's card was identical to yours. I think my theory rings true IB. It just took him 2 rounds to adjust to what Usyk was doing early on. Due to the awkwardness of Usyk, due to a low output round 1 where Usyk landed the harder shots but overall punches landed appeared to be pretty even. Then you had round 2 which many people said was close and arguable for AJ.

    So he saw those first 2 rounds as toss-up rounds and gave them to AJ, then came to his senses and scored the next 10 rounds flawlessly. Not terrible really. By the way, Foster scored Round 4 to Usyk, a round that Ukrainian judge Viktor Fesechenko gave to AJ. Also if I'm not mistaken the unofficial DAZN scorer gave Round 4 to AJ as well. So in a way Foster's round 1 score is offset by his round 4 score, a round which more people were willing to give to AJ than Round 1 that he scored for Usyk.

    I think we should applaud Foster for getting his act together after the first 2 rounds and scoring the rest of the match just like you did IB.
     
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