Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua vs. Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk

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AJ or The Cat?

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  1. Joshua on points

    24.4%
  2. Joshua by stoppage

    33.7%
  3. Draw

    1.2%
  4. Usyk on points

    23.3%
  5. Usyk by stoppage

    17.4%
  1. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Member Full Member

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    Joshua KO most likely.
    Close decision next most likely (probably given to Joshua regardless of how we all score it).
    Usyk more likely to win on points via dominant outboxing than to KO Joshua.

    IMHO.

    Chisora may have been stylistically more difficult for Usyk than Joshua would've been, but:
    1) Chisora is sloow.
    2) Chisora really lacks reach at HW.
    3) Usyk wasn't really threatening to knock out Delboy.

    Now the relevance of this (IMHO) point by point:
    1) AJ isn't exactly skipping around the ring like Fury, and yes he's been known to gas BUT he's not nearly as plodding as Chisora... Also bearing in mind if Usyk comes into this one significantly heavier than the Chisora fight then he'll lose speed from that and from being older.
    2) There's a big difference in what you can do without getting tagged between having a 4" advantage in reach and a 4" deficit in reach - if you're trying to avoid bombs and combos this matters... If Chisora can land plenty with a disadvantage, AJ definitely lands something with an advantage.
    3) Delboy has a decent enough chin but he's an easy target and been knocked out flush before - AJ is harder to hit without trading (especially if there's less speed advantage and a reversal of the reach advantage) and his only loss he was badly buzzed and quit, but it was a slightly bizarre one and there's hardly a pattern of AJ being easy to beat up and knock out as some posters seem to think.

    Put it all together... And I just can't see Usyk being able to do more damage to AJ without getting tagged than he did to Chisora - so IMHO that's KO probably off the table.

    With judges being likely to favour Joshua (even if they don't, the perception that they will be does the same job) and I'm not sure Usyk will believe he can get awarded the win on the cards without a completely dominant display or a KO... I think he'll almost have to try too hard, get knocked down somewhere in the mid rounds and get knocked out whilst chasing either his own KD or an unlikely KO in order to save any chances of winning.

    I could be wrong, there's an awful lot of unanswered questions around Usyk going in to this and AJ, for all his faults, is likely to have too much for this aging and slowing version of Usyk.
     
  2. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Member Full Member

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    P4P that's an easy argument to make... And with Gassiev hitting CW Usyk his punch resistance is P4P as much as punch power is.

    The real question is whether the significant additional weight of Joshua makes him a harder hitter on this Usyk?

    So many interesting things to this fight.

    (And yet, still disappointed it's not AJ-Fury)
     
  3. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I predict a close decision which of course in practice goes to Joshua, rightly or wrongly.

    I do think peak Usyk was actually good enough to outbox Joshua and win a decision more often than not, but I think he's on the decline. Hopefully I'm wrong.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum: Reject The New Normal Staff Member

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    You sure about that?:sisi1

     
  5. IHaveAscreenName804

    IHaveAscreenName804 Member banned Full Member

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    AJ is overrated and so is Usyk. He has yet to do anything in his career at heavyweight to deserve praise.
     
  6. IHaveAscreenName804

    IHaveAscreenName804 Member banned Full Member

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    Bellew was past his prime and in his prime Adonis Stevenson at natural super middle weight knocked out Bellew easier than Uysk did.
     
  7. IHaveAscreenName804

    IHaveAscreenName804 Member banned Full Member

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    I think Joshua's "power" is extremely overrated. He landed numerous flush punches on a chinny old Wladimir Klitschko before stopped him while a old 37 year old Corrie Sanders destroyed a prime Wlad.
     
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  8. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Based on that Avery Sparrow hits harder than Jose Zepeda. :eeek:
     
  9. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've read somewhere that Shawn Porter has actually beaten Usyk in the amateurs, and now Joshua is facing a guy who was beaten by Shawn Porter. Surreal.

    Usyk is a better boxer, no doubt, but when the difference in size is so enormous, talent can't save you. That's what happened when Loma faced Teo, or that's what would happen if Crawford went nuts and challenge Caleb Plant at 168.
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That must mean Anthony Joshua destroys Muhammad Ali right?
     
  11. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That means Foreman was a heavy favorite against Ali and Ali beating Foreman was an incredible accomplishment. Usyk beating Joshua would also be an incredible accomplishment but I don't believe it's going to happen.
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua's bigger than Foreman though
     
  13. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think you can compare fighters who fought half a century apart without factoring advancements in training, nutrition and drugs/supplements. Joshua wouldn't be the bionic robot he's today if he lived in the 60's-70's. There's noone like AJ in 60's, not just boxers but even bodybuilding champions aren't that massive. Foreman was a freak of the nature. During his prime he had the same affect on the division AJ has today.
     
  14. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I suspect from you no one EE boxer ever will get any praise.
    Doesn't there matters will such boxer have 10-0 or even 100-0 or 200-0 pro boxing record.

    Do not pretend, I do know that you NEVER will appreaciate any EE boxer. Doesn't matters his surname and fight record.

    If he was past prime, then should not had negotiated fight vs Usyk in his backyard ( U.K ) and demand that all Usyk's belts should be on line.
    Oh, I forget, excuses does works for you only for Western boxers.:nonono
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Can't spell Peep's Repub w/o Peru, @mirkofilipovic Full Member

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    New date: September 25th.
     
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