One of the most irritating things about boxing and it's hierarchy among it's fighters is how often you sometimes hear a great fighters name... but only in association with how great other fighters were because they beat Cervantes himself. Discussions on Pryor's greatness and place in history always come down to the two biggest names on his resume... a ten year older than himself, at 34, Cervantes, who had well over 700 rounds fought with Pryor being, I believe, the 22nd title fight of Cervantes career... and Alexis Arguello. Then there's the sublimely skilled Wilfred Benetiz, who at just 17 years old stamped his mark on boxing history and proved his greatness for the first time in a title winning performance against Cervantes. The equally elusive (and in some peoples opinions equally skilled) Nicolino Locche, much like Aaron Pryor, has something of a weak resume despite having over a hundred fights. A part of trying to figure out Locche's own place in history and his potential greatness comes down to, again, Antonio Cervantes. See what I mean? The man is right there among the crux of things on so many occasions with so many different fighters, and yet how much do you really hear of Kid Pambelé today? Do you hear how he was defeated some of the best fighters of his time, like the nearly equally underappreciated Estean De Jesus, just two and a half years after De Jesus upset Roberto Duran? Or that Cervantes also avenged his defeat to Nicolino Locche and forced a stoppage on one of the great defensive fighters of all time? That he had longevity and multiple title reigns and defense numbers that some of the furious upstarts that defeated Cervantes could only dream of of matching. A truly underrated fighter in my opinion.
Always appreciate your work, Russ . Cervantes was a beast in his prime. Huge at the weight, he had an excellent left jab, great stamina and he was a very smart and tough fighter. He was basically well past his absolute best vs Benitez and Pryor. Especially Pryor. Cheers Mate.
Yeah even among the nerds and purists he is an unfashionable subject to praise or bring up. Much the same as his countryman Rocky Valdéz. There wouldn't be as polished a sheen on Monzón's résumé without having beaten Rodrigo x2; ditto word for word re: Hugo Corro's. Four competitive points losses to a couple of Argentine greats, those were his only blemishes in the entire last decade of his career, '70-'80. And he's a lineal champ. And... went 3-0 (1) versus another Hall of Fame inductee (Briscoe) halted Gratien Tonna's momentum by curbing his 15-0 (10) run over 2 years (including avenging himself versus Fabio Bettini x2 in their rematch and rubber-match for the French MW title) outside the Argies, went 6-0 (4) in world title bouts. had underrated non-title victories over NY southpaw Irish Bobby Cassidy, previously unbeaten Bostonian defensive whiz Vinnie Curto, and Argentinian aversion ace Antonio Aguilar, and Canadian champ Joey Durelle (cousin of Yvon Durelle, who fought that FOTY with Archie Moore) fought the entire second half of his career, including all ten championship bouts after contracting hepatitis (in the ring no less) Regardless, he just isn't that glamorous a name to drop in the hat for a mention in historical middleweight h2h threads, it seems.
I feel your pain, and note your blatant attempt to make higher quality than my own posts in my own thread. How devious...
Some people think "a moving up Roberto Duran" would have beaten Cervantes Others think not. Though a Colombian, Cervantes fought a lot in Panama City. I think prime Cervantes would have won a close decision over the "lightweight" Duran.
Yes. He's incredibly underrated. One of my all time favorite fighters. Mid 70s Cervantes was one of the best junior welters who ever lived. I'd pick Cervantes over Chavez, that's always been a controversial opinion.
Any particular reason you have that view point? Something you noticed in their respective fights? Do you have any insight as to why Cervantes might be so obscure a name to the modern boxing fan?
I completely agree. There isn't a lot of history to the division talent wise but he's surely among the very best the division has ever seen, and I find it borderline offense when people try to match the likes of Ricky Hatton with him. A blatant mismatch and misunderstanding of what it takes to me in almost two dozen major title fights over the course of your career.
Wtf? Your OP was fine! (I mean, if we're splitting hairs you did skimp in a few names on the diacritics, which make up an important part of Latino fighters' heritage, but... )
Hmm. I think he definitely wrecks Hatton but Tszyu could be more difficult for him (styles make fights). Would probably favor Kid Pambelé myself, but I wouldn't categorically say that he dismantles Tszyu just as easily as Hatton.
The WBA was based down in that area (Panama) and pushed Duran as their "main man". A large portion of Duran's early title fights were in Panama City, though to his credit, he did later in his title reign, fight in other cities more often. Cervantes fought all over Central America (including Panama City). On December 17, 1970, in Los Angeles, he beat Rodolfo Gato González,. a very famous Mexican boxer of the time, by knockout in round eight. Afterwards he tangled with the best the Jr. Welterweight Division had in that timeframe. In reality, the heavies (Ali-Frazier-Foreman) dominated the boxing talk in the early-mid-70's, and Cervantes was from northern South America and didn't have the USA media behind him. FYI: 1970-12-17 : Antonio Cervantes 135½ lbs beat Rodolfo Gonzalez 136½ lbs by TKO in round 8 of 10 Location: Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, USA Referee: Lee Grossman Judge: Abe Cohen Judge: Rudy Jordan "Antonio Cervantes from Columbia ended the win streak of Rodolfo Gonzalez in an upset at the Olympic Auditorium. Referee Lee Grossman stopped the bout at the end of the 8th round with gore gushing out of a cut over Gonzalez' left eye. "It was a free swinging affair with Gonzalez down in the first. Cervantes hit the deck in the 3rd, shortly after Rodolfo was cut. "Two judges, Rudy Jordan and Abe Cohen had Rodolfo in front by one point at the finish. Grossman favored Cervantes by a similar margin." -Ring magazine, April, 1971 issue. Unofficial L.A. Times scorecard (after 8 completed rounds) 6-4 Gonzalez Weights Gonzalez-136 1/2 Cervantes-135 1/2 Attendance-4000
Its criminal the way some fighter's are remembered. Add Puerto Rican Alfredo Esalera to the list . He made 10 Title defenses and is primarily remembered for losing twice to Alexis Arguello. And it even more pathetic in a sign of boxing corruption he is not enshrined in the Hall of Fame.