Antonio Margarito's gloves were NEVER loaded, irrefutable facts.

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  1. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    You must bring up Cotto, especially when his fans and Cotto himself are making false claims that he cheated in that fight.
     
  2. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In that case, they would win instantly. No evidence = no justification.
     
  3. cyrax99

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    Right, the whole argument is that "he couldn't do **** without his brick fists." A mainstay of the accusations has always been that his great victories had come from cheating. He has always been accused of cheating in his past victories.
     
  4. cyrax99

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    Yeah, in the court of law, which the DA REFUSED to press a criminal case.

    The CSAC doesn't work like a court of law, he WAS suspended with no evidence, plain and simple. He couldn't prove his innocence, they "lost" the evidence when Arum asked for an independent examination of the wraps.

    Quite simple.
     
  5. Bazooka

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    in a criminal case sure, but in a Civil case no sir.....
     
  6. Bazooka

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    Exactly, and you mean to tell me he has done this in the past, and gotten it past trainers like Manny Stewart? I know they all claiming Margarito is a Magic Chemist and all but god damn:verysad
     
  7. xRedx

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    That and there was a crack in Margarito's gloves. There are people saying it was a sharpie marker hahaha.
     
  8. cyrax99

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    You already said this, you were already disproved too. I'd sit and type it all out again, but you simply don't want to believe the truth.

    I guess you just don't want to listen.
     
  9. Bazooka

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    your ****ing ******ED go show me a picture of a crack in Margaritos gloves, hell show me a picture of a crack in his hand wraps you dumb ass
     
  10. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wasn't disproved. I said that the crack has very fine lines that could not have been the cause of a marker. What a poor defense.

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  11. Bazooka

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    That is not a glove thats called a hand wrap lets clarify, and its also a shitty picture here is a up close look at it
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  12. cyrax99

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    Ummm yes, you were disproved, nothing will convince a delusional ignoramus of the truth though.

    First off other pictures zoomed in have shown there was no "crack," but lets exercise some common sense, shall we? If someone's wraps were "cracking" where the **** did all the plaster chunks go? If plaster was cracking off, how were they not in his gloves? This is why I am dismissive of you, because you're pretty stupid.

    How about the tests conducted by Cleveland Williams that showed plaster of paris does not hold up on a heavy bag, and breaks into a million chunks after just a couple punches? How about the fact someone's hands would be shattered if they had bricks sitting right on their knuckles? How about the manufacturer issuing a statement saying that it was impossible to use it in this fashion? How about the fact that the lab pictures show no evidence of plaster? GTFO

    You've been shut down.... AGAIN
     
  13. juice20

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    the study if you read it speaks of sulfur odour precursors.....not elemental sulfur. and it is from the armpit, not the hand. glandular differences do occur in specific areas of the body. they collected large amounts of sweat and pooled it to do analysis. the sulfur odour precursors and the acids interacted with bacteria.....to create sulfur like odour. this is not the same as elemental sulfur. and the samples collected yielded micrograms per hundreds of milliliters of sulfur odour precursors....trace amounts...and not elemental sulfur.

    this isn`t google chemistry. the link proves nothing as it does not apply to sulfur on handwraps. sweat can travel down the armpit and into the glove...but the chances of pure sulfur being detected in the wraps is pretty damn low. call me a google chemist if you like....i`ve only operated an XRF, mass spectrometer, and worked in an industry for over a decade that relies heavily on chemical and biological analysis of samples.

    it is either incredibly suspicious, or an incredible coincidence that sulfur and calcium in detectable amounts were found on the wraps. his trainer didn`t need to build a paper mache fist for it to be illegal, he could have applied a salve or treatment of some sort to the surface of the old pad with the thought it may firm it up....whether to further protect his hands, or with the hope it would aid damage. this is entirely possible and a logical assumption.

    did marg know...who knows...he doesn`t seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer...i mean he drank coffee pre fight (don`t rmemeber which one, but the commentating team caught it, and so did anyone watching), on camera no less....which is also breaking the rules. he either is unknowing, or knowing and doesn`t care, or had the wrong people handling him.

    the legal stuff would have been totally wiped out by any semi competent lawyer. sample handling, custody, analysis etc can easily be put under scrutiny and made to be invalid or unreliable if errors were made....he would have been cleared if it was a complete comedy of errors and mishandling, with non credible witness accounts as well.....it was not. his suspension stood. there have been several clearance of guilt cases in sports through technicality in sample handling error....not here.
     
  14. xRedx

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    You're putting words in my mouth. I never said he was specifically using plaster of paris. I was just saying he had loaded gloves, he could have used a different substance to make the gloves go hard. I'd say it's probably what Luis Resto used against Billy Collins.

    Your whole argument which consists of "pieces of the plaster would have fallen out", "knuckles would have been damaged" and "other fighter faces have been damaged worse without plaster" can be applied to other cases like the Luis Resto incident and other fighters who used loaded gloves.

    The pieces of the hardened substance were probably sitting in his gloves.
     
  15. jeffjoiner

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    So Top Rank doesn't have a lawyer who can win a case with no evidence and a cooperating DA?

    Are you actually thinking the things you right through, or have you reached a Bailey level of bias?

    They didn't bring a suit. He never won a meaningful fight again. Those are facts. The conclusion is self evident.