Antonio Margarito's gloves were NEVER loaded, irrefutable facts.

MichiganWarrior · Apr 21, 2013

Miguel said: ↑

Respect to the OP for an interesting and well researched post. Hilarious reading the *****s hate, regurgitating the same rubbish without attempting to address anything in the OP post

Top 3 boxers hated by *****s

Pacquiao, Margarito, Canelo

Things in common: None are black and all are or have showed up Floyd for the cherry picker he is

You gotta laugh at the hate and blatant ignorance
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waaah waaah

Bazooka · Apr 21, 2013

BUMPY KNUCKLES said: ↑

I think cyrax99 bazooka and myself are the only people on here who believe Margarito was not a cheat, probably also the only 3 who have done some actual research on the matter. Look some things up and you will see for yourself if he could of used loaded gloves vs Cotto.

Oh and for the record I am a big Floyd fan, probably a '*****' that stuff makes no difference to me I am not a promoter, but I do know the facts.
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Whats funny is when you bring up Floyd beating up on women they ask for pictures claim he is innocent.

Even though he took a plea and admitted to the accusations his son made a police statement which is available you can search and find it which confirms Ms Harris accounting.

The kid did 60 days in jail......

this was his third offense for the same type of crime.... Yet they swear up and down he is innocent.

Now when you take a plea deal you admit to guilt, you plea guilty so why take the deal if your innocent?

They argue Floyd didnt want a media frenzy around his kids....

I counter that with the truth.

His kids are witnesses and would be brought on the stand, Floyd didnt want the media to hear his own children testify to what he did that night.

He took the deal because he is guilty

There is more evidence on Floyd for beating up his babys momma than there is to support the idea that plaster paris was found in Margs wraps

Miguel · Apr 21, 2013

:deal :deal

cyrax99 · Apr 21, 2013

BUMPY KNUCKLES said: ↑

I think cyrax99 bazooka and myself are the only people on here who believe Margarito was not a cheat, probably also the only 3 who have done some actual research on the matter. Look some things up and you will see for yourself if he could of used loaded gloves vs Cotto.

Oh and for the record I am a big Floyd fan, probably a '*****' that stuff makes no difference to me I am not a promoter, but I do know the facts.
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I'm a Floyd fan too, you'll notice he is listed under my favorite boxers. A ***** is not someone who is a Floyd fan, it's someone who is obsessed with Floyd, and will do anything to discredit those who point out the facts that don't support him. There is nothing wrong with true fans of any boxer, it's the hardcore, obsessed group of fanboys that are mentally challenged idiots, they are the ones who ruin any possibility of having rational discussion about boxers on here. For instance, the Cotto fanboys have the absolute need in their minds to believe Margarito had loaded gloves, because they cannot accept the fact that he LOST. When people go from being fans, to being absolutely enamored with a particular fighter, all rational goes out the window, THOSE are the people I hate, regardless if they are *****s, *******s, or anything else.

Box702 · Apr 21, 2013

So he brutalizes a prime cotto then is shot overnight vs old mosely?:huh........I use to support margarito just can't do it.He's a warrior but that **** ain't right.

El Fijador · Apr 21, 2013

Great post :thumbsup

cyrax99 · Apr 21, 2013

Box702 said: ↑

So he brutalizes a prime cotto then is shot overnight vs old mosely?:huh........I use to support margarito just can't do it.He's a warrior but that **** ain't right.
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Yawn, I'm getting really tired of people being illiterate ****s, and having to copy paste the same thing over, and over again.

No doubt about it, the man was in some ****ing WARS. Hell, against Cotto the first time, people act like he came out and obliterated him. It's quite simple how it happened, Cotto could not hurt him, had shitty stamina, and Margarito wore him down after 11 rounds of pressuring the hell out of him. He loses 33 pounds in six weeks to fight Mosely, has over a year layoff in which he proceeds to have his eye socket broken by Pacquaio, and people go "see, that's proof he loaded, look what happened to his career after the incident!"
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cyrax99 · Apr 21, 2013

Six pages in, and tons of vitriol from Margarito haters later....

Still not one fact from my original post has had any argument against it.

Yep...

des3995 · Apr 21, 2013

Give it up Uli.

Ricky369 · Apr 21, 2013

cyrax99 said: ↑

Real simple, time to debunk this myth. I know I'll have 95% of ESB against me, and 80% of those people want to remain ignorant and peddle this ridiculous myth. My hope is that maybe the small minority whom aren't ignorant, just misinformed get something from this.

Myth 1: Plaster Of Paris was found in Margarito's gloves prior to the Mosely fight

Completely false. TRACE elements of Calcium and Sulfar were found in Margarito's gauze.

Neither Calcium or Sulfar are found in Plaster Of Paris, they are two separate compunds. Calcium Sulfate is what is needed for the making of PoP, which was NEVER found in Margarito's gloves, not even trace elements of it. Calcium, Sulfar, and Calcium Sulfate may sound incredibly similar, but anyone with a BASIC chemistry background knows better than this, very different compounds. So Margarito supposedly has Plaster of Paris in his gloves, yet doesn't even have an absolutely essential ingredient for making it?

Not going to waste much time reading your bull****. Point #1 is wrong. Calcium sulfate is CaSO4. Meaning one mole of Calcium, one mole of Sulfur and 4 moles of oxygen, which we all know its everywhere. Yes, Calcium and sulfur are part of Calcium sulfate. The following is the chemical reaction that happens when Calcium sulfate is mix with water and some heat. It creates what we know as PLASTER OF PARIS AND SOME STEAM. CaSO4·2H2O + heat → CaSO4·½H2O + 1½H2O (steam)
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Cellz A G · Apr 21, 2013

cyrax99 said: ↑

Real simple, time to debunk this myth. I know I'll have 95% of ESB against me, and 80% of those people want to remain ignorant and peddle this ridiculous myth. My hope is that maybe the small minority whom aren't ignorant, just misinformed get something from this.

Myth 1: Plaster Of Paris was found in Margarito's gloves prior to the Mosely fight

Completely false. TRACE elements of Calcium and Sulfar were found in Margarito's gauze.

Neither Calcium or Sulfar are found in Plaster Of Paris, they are two separate compunds. Calcium Sulfate is what is needed for the making of PoP, which was NEVER found in Margarito's gloves, not even trace elements of it. Calcium, Sulfar, and Calcium Sulfate may sound incredibly similar, but anyone with a BASIC chemistry background knows better than this, very different compounds. So Margarito supposedly has Plaster of Paris in his gloves, yet doesn't even have an absolutely essential ingredient for making it?

Myth 2: Plaster Of Paris can be used effectively for loading your gloves.

This was debunked long ago when Cleveland Williams tested the theory that Dempsey's gloves were loaded:

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/dempsey_gloves.html

Did you catch that? The manufacturer of PoP said it was completely impossible to use it in such a fashion, period. I challenge ANYONE here to go load their gloves with this substance, and go punch on a heavy bag. You have a good possibility of breaking your hand on the first punch, and it will quickly begin crumbling everywhere. Besides the fact that Plaster Of Paris DOES not hold up being used in this fashion, lets exercise some common sense. How in the hell would someone have a brick like substance sitting on their gloves for an entire fight, throwing 100+ punches a round, and not break their hands? The fighter they would be hitting would have an entire glove to protect them, the fighter using the substance has it on their bare hands, which would undoubtedly shatter their hands. Know why they use hand wraps? Because the hand is made of a multitude of tiny, brittle bones.

Oh and before you try using the Luis Resto story, this was a guy who lied for 20 years, was broke, and got paid to make a sensational story. He took out padding from his gloves, the plaster of paris bull**** didn't come to fruition until he wanted to make a quick buck. The proof is in the pudding.

Myth 3: There was a "brick" found in Margarito's gloves.

Listen to Nazzim Richardson talk about how he found a "brick" in Margarito's gloves. Notice he also explicitly states that he made sure he saved the evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RvQcHouzQE

Here is what was actually found:

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Where is the brick? Exactly, there is none, just a bundle of gauze.

Besides that fact, MARGARITO WAS SHAKING HANDS WITH COTTO AFTER THE FIGHT WITH HIS GLOVES OFF, you mean to tell me nobody ****ing noticed? There is always someone from the other team present in the wrapping of someone's hands, especially in a high profile fight too, case closed on that.

Myth 4: Cotto's face is proof that Margarito's gloves were loaded up.

Cotto after Margarito 1:

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Cotto during Pacquaio:

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Looks like Pacquaio caused far more substantial damage to Cotto's face than Margarito did. The ignorant people love to talk about how there was no way Cotto's face could have looked like that against Margarito without loaded wraps, too bad Pacquiao did far worse. Are Manny's gloves loaded?

Myth 5: His trainer already confessed to loading his wraps.

More garbage. I could type it all out, but here is a quote from Bazooka that summarizes this garbage up real quick:

The District Attorney REFUSED to pursue a criminal case against Margarito

After the wraps were sent to a lab, the District Attorney refused to pursue a criminal case. Why? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PLASTER OF PARIS, the ingredients needed for the making of it were NEVER found, not even in trace elements. They claimed they caught him red handed with it in his wraps, that a "brick" fell out of his gloves, and you mean to tell me they don't pursue a criminal case? Oh and one more thing, THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW A 2nd INDEPENDENT EXAMINATION, which would have cleared Margarito without a doubt, HMMM :think:think:think

The last panzy excuse to get out of the way is people using his performance against Mosely as justification. Number one, Mosely is kryptonite for a Margarito style, I don't care how good your chin is, you will crack taking haymakers from a guy like that incessantly. Margarito already had trouble making 147, and he had come in at 180 six weeks out from this fight, and drained down to make it. That is why he looked like ****, although guys like Mosely and Pacquaio would always have had Margarito's number.

CASE CLOSED on this whole issue. This whole case is a prime example of what happens when you combine sensationalism, twisting of the facts, and a bunch of ignorant people who don't bother to do their own research. Continue to peddle the Margarito loaded gloves myth if you want, but the fact remains that he never loaded his gloves :hi:
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Even with a broken eye, fighting in NYC, fighting Cotto(e), judges, and the Doctor, Margarito(e) was about to make Cotto(e) go down to a knee once more.

cyrax99 · Apr 21, 2013

Ricky369 said: ↑

Not going to waste much time reading your bull****. Point #1 is wrong. Calcium sulfate is CaSO4. Meaning one mole of Calcium, one mole of Sulfur and 4 moles of oxygen, which we all know its everywhere. Yes, Calcium and sulfur are part of Calcium sulfate. The following is the chemical reaction that happens when Calcium sulfate is mix with water and some heat. It creates what we know as PLASTER OF PARIS AND SOME STEAM. CaSO4·2H2O + heat → CaSO4·½H2O + 1½H2O (steam)
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You really don't get it, do you? atsch Let me spell it out for you

NO CALCIUM SULFATE WAS FOUND ON MARGARITO'S WRAPS, NONE! TRACE ELEMENTS OF CALCIUM AND SULFUR WERE FOUND, NO CALCIUM SULFATE. BESIDES THAT FACT, THERE WERE ONLY TRACE ELEMENTS FOUND, NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO MAKE PLASTER OF PARIS. NO PLASTER OF PARIS WAS FOUND IN A LABORATORY EXAMINATION OF MARGARITO'S GLOVES, PERIOD! CALCIUM AND SULFATE ARE EVERYWHERE, CALCIUM IS IN YOUR FINGERNAILS FOR EXAMPLE, SULFUR CAN BE ON THERE EASILY BECAUSE OF SWEAT. IT ISN'T HARD TO EXPLAIN WHY THOSE WOULD BE ON THERE, IT WAS OLD GAUZE THAT THEY USED, THEY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. THE POINT IS THAT NO PLASTER OF PARIS WAS FOUND, NOR WAS ANY CALCIUM SULFATE FOUND.

Gypsum plaster (plaster of Paris)

Gypsum plaster, or plaster of Paris, is produced by heating gypsum to about 300 °F (150 °C):[2]
2CaSO4·4H2O + Heat → 2CaSO4·H2O + 3H2O (released as steam). When the dry plaster powder is mixed with water, it re-forms into gypsum. The setting of unmodified plaster starts about 10 minutes after mixing and is complete in about 45 minutes; but not fully set for 72 hours.[3] If plaster or gypsum is heated above 392°F (200°C), anhydrite is formed, which will also re-form as gypsum if mixed with water.[4]
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Did you read that? Takes 45 minutes to even BEGAN setting, a FULL 72 HOURS to be fully set.

NO CALCIUM SULFATE FOUND ON THE HAND WRAPS, NONE! THAT IS THE POINT, the necessary ingredient was NEVER FOUND. Oh and maybe reading everything, like the fact tests on PoP debunked the possibility of it being any use for a boxing match, as well as the manufacturer pointing out the implausibility of it being an use would have helped you from sounding so stupid.

conraddobler · Apr 21, 2013

Bazooka said: ↑

And the rules state you must use fresh clean gauze, and that is why his trainer took the blame. he admitted per the video that he arrived late, didnt have gauze grabbed some used ones off of the table in the dressing room.

My question is who had those gauze on prior to the Margarito fight? where did those gauze come from?
Because if its true that Capetillo picked them up from a table that means someone fought with them and if they really did have plaster paris in them that means a fighter on that card used them....
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Capetillo has testified where he found them: in his own bag.

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/antonio-margarito-and-the-handwrap-issue

Capetillo testified at the hearing that he prepared Margaritos knuckle pads in the dressing room at the Staples Center and put them on top of the contents in his training bag. Then, when it was time to wrap, he pulled the wrong knuckle pads out of his bag by mistake. He further testified that the confiscated pads had most likely been used by another boxer while hitting the heavy bag in the gym.

They just throw their things in my bag, Capetillo told the commission.

The following colloquy exemplifies his testimony:

Q: Is this the kind of pad you usually use in a championship fight?

Capetillo: No, sir.

Q: Have you ever used a pad like that in a professional boxing fight?

Capetillo: No, sir.

Super Hans · Apr 21, 2013

cyrax99 said: ↑

Real simple, time to debunk this myth. I know I'll have 95% of ESB against me, and 80% of those people want to remain ignorant and peddle this ridiculous myth. My hope is that maybe the small minority whom aren't ignorant, just misinformed get something from this.

Myth 1: Plaster Of Paris was found in Margarito's gloves prior to the Mosely fight

Completely false. TRACE elements of Calcium and Sulfar were found in Margarito's gauze.

Neither Calcium or Sulfar are found in Plaster Of Paris, they are two separate compunds. Calcium Sulfate is what is needed for the making of PoP, which was NEVER found in Margarito's gloves, not even trace elements of it. Calcium, Sulfar, and Calcium Sulfate may sound incredibly similar, but anyone with a BASIC chemistry background knows better than this, very different compounds. So Margarito supposedly has Plaster of Paris in his gloves, yet doesn't even have an absolutely essential ingredient for making it?

Myth 2: Plaster Of Paris can be used effectively for loading your gloves.

This was debunked long ago when Cleveland Williams tested the theory that Dempsey's gloves were loaded:

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/dempsey_gloves.html

Did you catch that? The manufacturer of PoP said it was completely impossible to use it in such a fashion, period. I challenge ANYONE here to go load their gloves with this substance, and go punch on a heavy bag. You have a good possibility of breaking your hand on the first punch, and it will quickly begin crumbling everywhere. Besides the fact that Plaster Of Paris DOES not hold up being used in this fashion, lets exercise some common sense. How in the hell would someone have a brick like substance sitting on their gloves for an entire fight, throwing 100+ punches a round, and not break their hands? The fighter they would be hitting would have an entire glove to protect them, the fighter using the substance has it on their bare hands, which would undoubtedly shatter their hands. Know why they use hand wraps? Because the hand is made of a multitude of tiny, brittle bones.

Oh and before you try using the Luis Resto story, this was a guy who lied for 20 years, was broke, and got paid to make a sensational story. He took out padding from his gloves, the plaster of paris bull**** didn't come to fruition until he wanted to make a quick buck. The proof is in the pudding.

Myth 3: There was a "brick" found in Margarito's gloves.

Listen to Nazzim Richardson talk about how he found a "brick" in Margarito's gloves. Notice he also explicitly states that he made sure he saved the evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RvQcHouzQE

Here is what was actually found:

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Where is the brick? Exactly, there is none, just a bundle of gauze.

Besides that fact, MARGARITO WAS SHAKING HANDS WITH COTTO AFTER THE FIGHT WITH HIS GLOVES OFF, you mean to tell me nobody ****ing noticed? There is always someone from the other team present in the wrapping of someone's hands, especially in a high profile fight too, case closed on that.

Myth 4: Cotto's face is proof that Margarito's gloves were loaded up.

Cotto after Margarito 1:

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Cotto during Pacquaio:

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Looks like Pacquaio caused far more substantial damage to Cotto's face than Margarito did. The ignorant people love to talk about how there was no way Cotto's face could have looked like that against Margarito without loaded wraps, too bad Pacquiao did far worse. Are Manny's gloves loaded?

Myth 5: His trainer already confessed to loading his wraps.

More garbage. I could type it all out, but here is a quote from Bazooka that summarizes this garbage up real quick:

The District Attorney REFUSED to pursue a criminal case against Margarito

After the wraps were sent to a lab, the District Attorney refused to pursue a criminal case. Why? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PLASTER OF PARIS, the ingredients needed for the making of it were NEVER found, not even in trace elements. They claimed they caught him red handed with it in his wraps, that a "brick" fell out of his gloves, and you mean to tell me they don't pursue a criminal case? Oh and one more thing, THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW A 2nd INDEPENDENT EXAMINATION, which would have cleared Margarito without a doubt, HMMM :think:think:think

The last panzy excuse to get out of the way is people using his performance against Mosely as justification. Number one, Mosely is kryptonite for a Margarito style, I don't care how good your chin is, you will crack taking haymakers from a guy like that incessantly. Margarito already had trouble making 147, and he had come in at 180 six weeks out from this fight, and drained down to make it. That is why he looked like ****, although guys like Mosely and Pacquaio would always have had Margarito's number.

CASE CLOSED on this whole issue. This whole case is a prime example of what happens when you combine sensationalism, twisting of the facts, and a bunch of ignorant people who don't bother to do their own research. Continue to peddle the Margarito loaded gloves myth if you want, but the fact remains that he never loaded his gloves :hi:
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conraddobler · Apr 21, 2013

cyrax99 said: ↑

You really don't get it, do you? atsch Let me spell it out for you

NO CALCIUM SULFATE WAS FOUND ON MARGARITO'S WRAPS, NONE! TRACE ELEMENTS OF CALCIUM AND SULFUR WERE FOUND, NO CALCIUM SULFATE. BESIDES THAT FACT, THERE WERE ONLY TRACE ELEMENTS FOUND, NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO MAKE PLASTER OF PARIS. NO PLASTER OF PARIS WAS FOUND IN A LABORATORY EXAMINATION OF MARGARITO'S GLOVES, PERIOD! CALCIUM AND SULFATE ARE EVERYWHERE, CALCIUM IS IN YOUR FINGERNAILS FOR EXAMPLE, SULFUR CAN BE ON THERE EASILY BECAUSE OF SWEAT. IT ISN'T HARD TO EXPLAIN WHY THOSE WOULD BE ON THERE, IT WAS OLD GAUZE THAT THEY USED, THEY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. THE POINT IS THAT NO PLASTER OF PARIS WAS FOUND, NOR WAS ANY CALCIUM SULFATE FOUND.

Did you read that? Takes 45 minutes to even BEGAN setting, a FULL 72 HOURS to be fully set.

NO CALCIUM SULFATE FOUND ON THE HAND WRAPS, NONE! THAT IS THE POINT, the necessary ingredient was NEVER FOUND. Oh and maybe reading everything, like the fact tests on PoP debunked the possibility of it being any use for a boxing match, as well as the manufacturer pointing out the implausibility of it being an use would have helped you from sounding so stupid.
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X-Ray Fluorescence, the technique used in the investigation, detects atomic elements, not chemical compounds. Calcium and sulfur are constituent elements in Plaster of Paris, and these were detected. So the results are consistent with plaster of paris being in the pad.

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