Antonio Margarito's size...

:think :think I do see your point... I think Margo can be effective at 154 and 160 but it depends who is he figthing. I respect Margo a lot for what he has accomplished but I have to agree with you... If you take out his chin what you get is a fighter with limitations that has to rely on his stamina and physical advantages when you compare him to other boxers.

 

the difference is that Margo and Cotto were approximately the same size. size is not about height, its about weight. Santos weighed 10lbs more than Margo when they fought.

also, PW and Santos are not only bigger than Margo (assuming PW was bigger than Margo, i'm not convinced), but they are also southpaws. Margarito might have trouble with tall southpaws. Nothing wrong with that.

Its like saying someone would have trouble with people with good chins. Being tall is a physical advantage like any other.

At the end of the day I'm pretty sure Margo and Cotto's ring weights were approximately the same.


Probably Williams and Santos being Southpaws had more to do with Margo's troubles than them being tall. And to boot if you saw the Santos fight you know that Margo was probably gonna win that if not for a questionable stoppage on a not-so-bad cut with some questionable scores just when Margo was coming on.

Imagine if Margo had a cut from a headbutt against Cotto, and instead of fighting into the 11th, the fight was stopped in the 9th.

Cotto would've won.

 

size is part of boxing.
if you can make weight , then being bigger than your opponent works in your favour.

but size is not the be all of boxing.
mark breland was a 6.2 welter

tommy hearns a 6.1 welter both beat by a 5.9 man approx in starling and a 5.10 man in leaonard.

margarito is not that hard to figure out, a box and move fighter will give him loads of problems.

stand in front of him and it suits his style.

what it boils down to with margarito is styles make fights and can he make you fight his type of fight.

if he can he wins , if he cannot he loses.

he does not box his height or use his length anyway.

 

I wouldn't say Clottey is a small welter. the guy is wide frame welter but is short. Clottey often shows up to fight around 166-170 which is ridiculous! AM lacks the natural talent so he had to compete in a lower weigh class to be dominating. A lot of boxers does the same thing.

 

I agree with you for once! His fights with Daniel Santos and Paul Williams hightligh your argument.

I could see guys like Agulo and Kirkland and take his shots and hit him back with something that will really test his chin at 154.

 

It is Manny Steward that says that Tony is enormous and comparing with his own Tommy Hearns and that's a fact. He's always gonna be big no matter who steps up and faces him... He does have a very strong, fit and hard body and those dynamics make it extremelly hard to compete physically but on the flipside, this guy is very predictable and slow getting off. I guess Paul Williams and even Daniel Santos got the best out of those fights due to their slick style, extra handspeed and boxing coordination rather than size or height or weight alone. Against Antonio, you definitely need to make it into a boxing match at all times, you need to give angles and keep hitting him and getting out of the way ( means either speed or reach or both)... No matter what's your size disadvantage b'cause he's not gonna go up in weight that easy. In case he does move up, I still see him as a nightmare b'cause he has both power, endurance, stamina and the strong chin - you gat to make him think twice and slow him down with skills.

 

Everybody has the same opportunity to make the weight. Being physically imposing at a certain weight, or being able to lose more for a weigh-in are just a couple of examples of the many factors that go into your formidability in the ring. Marg has an immense chin and is large for the weight, Floyd has immense reactions and great conditioning, George Foreman punched harder than most if not all of his opponents - should we complain about that? However, Margarito is not blessed with great reactions or natural handspeed, we don't complain about his opponents having more natural ability in those departments so we shouldn't complain when Margarito is more physically durable than his opponents. All fighters have a different set of attributes so I'm not sure what the problem is.

 

I think it is ridiculous to consider his height as a way to somehow diminish his accomplishments.

 

Going by that logic great fighters like Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Felix Trinidad, Oscar De la hoya and Tommy Hearns were all frauds because they fought at Welterweight and were taller than average right? Oscar has fought quite a bit at Lightweight so that should be an even bigger abuse if what you say holds any water.

At the end of the day if you can make the the weight then you can fight in that division. Paul Williams is obscenely tall at 6'3" plus but if he can starve himself to make 147 without it affecting his performance then more power to him. Just because guys like Clottey, Cotto, Berto & Baldomir are shorter it doesn't make then smaller as all four have weighed in 160-166lbs at fight night. Cotto, if he could make the weight would still be killing guys at 140 with 15lbs+ advantage over most of his opponents come fight night.

 

He only looks big (ei. TALL) but moreso because there have been some JrWW's who moved up to WW (Cotto, Judah, Mayweather, Gatti).

Is he really any bigger then Tito, DLH, Ike, HEARNS, Quartey.... or today, Quintana, Contron, or Clottey? There's your answer.

 

All those great fighters I mentioned relied on their physical advantages to become so highly regarded why should it be different for Margarito who has limited natural boxing talent and poor handspeed? If anything you should be even more impressed that he could get so far with so little. Margo is the classic overachiever and should be applauded for his accomplishments.

Pavlik is massive at 160 so he definitely relies on his physical attributes and so does Klitschko among other traits. You have to realize that you don't need to jump multiple divisions to be a P4P fighter. Dominating one like Hopkins, Tszyu & Calzaghe can get you in the ranks just as easily.

 

If he can make 147 he is a WW