I agree with you there Pimp. Pac fans like to pretend like he doesn't have any losses when comparing him to ATGs. And not just decision losses, but multiple stoppage losses. Though in fairness, Pacquiao does have some things going for him that Floyd doesn't. A lot more wins, a lot more KOs, and Pac fighting on into his 40s and beating a guy like Thurman who was prime and undefeated at that age. If he could somehow beat Spence, scalps over Prime Thurman and Prime Spence at such an advanced age does offset some of those losses to an extent.
That's true, but you could also say the same for Pacquiao's wins over Cotto and DLH. Cotto was drained to a 145 lb catchweight, DLH as an old man moved down an entire weight class from 154 to 147 to fight Pac in his prime. That was as bad as Dawson moving down from 175 to 168 to fight Ward.
Yeah he's the second best fighter. He has some good wins but he failed to deliver one too many occasions. You can't be the fighter of the era when you lost the fight of the era, wide. I love jmm but a GOAT or fighter of the era as you claim shouldn't need 4 fights against jmm. He's a great fighter but if you're talking like pac is the GOAT he should've beaten him rather easily. 4 fights with him and a ko of the year loss to him is pathetic. Pbf was just the better fighter he was undefeated more skilled moved through weights as well beat pac straight up beat some of the same fighters that pac did beat more world champs and beat a better fighter than pac ever beat in canelo. There's a reason why he was fighter of the decade.
If the IVs were approved by the authorities then they weren’t illegal. lol You and C.J. calling them illegal don’t make them so.
A speeding ticket that is dismissed is still a speeding ticket. Didn't mean the law wasn't broken. No matter how hard you try to spin it, Floyd broke WADA code and had a needle in his arm and then later accused McGregor of cheating with IV fluids.
Oscar called Pac out. And Pac jumped up 2 weight classes. Was Pac supposed to jump up 3 weight classes? Can you name a fighter who jumped 3 weight classes in a single fight? Pac weighed in at 142 and rehydrated to 148, so it's not like he bullied Oscar with size. But I don't rate this victory in the top 5 in terms of opponents (but it was massive in terms of Pac making at statement at his first fight at 147). And I hated that it was at a catchweight, but if you look at Cotto at the weigh in, he looked strong as an ox, no hollowed out eye sockets or cheeks, and his punches were murderous and you can hear the heavy thuds.
Im not sure what you're talking about, put me on blast? Lol Post a link to whatever you're claiming happen or STFU. Pac avoided random testing, that is indisputable. Demanding cut off dates is not subjecting to random testing. Using the excuse that blood test weaken you to demand cut off dates for testing is highly suspect.
It’s hard to argue against SRL when you have Duran, Hearns and Hagler on your resume. But let’s dissect that a bit: He’s 1-1 vs Duran, natural LW, you can ignore their 3rd fight, that would be like Pac getting a win over Floyd now, it’s meaningless. He’s 1-1 vs Hearns by his own admission. And he waited until Hagler was past it AND this is how arbitrary win/loss can be, another set of judges would have easily had that as a loss for SRL and the history books would say it so. In fact, the general consensus is that Hagler was robbed in that fight. As for Benitez, was he really a greater fighter than MAB, Morales, JMM, Cotto when SRL beat him? Benitez had barely beaten anyone of note by then. Where was he p4p? MAB was already considered an ATG and 3 p4p when Pac moved up weight and DEMOLISHED him, it wasn’t just the win, it was the manner of the win. yes SRL went from 147-175 but what did he do at 175? His best wins were at his natural weight of 147, he wasn’t as good in the weights above although he did pull off that win at 160. Pac meanwhile is an ATG (h2h) bantamweight, an ATG FW, ATG LW, JWW and WW. The only one remotely comparable to that is RJJ and SRR. RJJ would h2h with ATGs at Jmw, MW, SMW and LHW. Also, how much weight can you give for single great wins vs body of work? Is Douglas greater than Wlad? Wlad doesn’t have any wins remotely close to a young p4p 1 Mike Tyson. Look, I even don’t disagree with your opinion, it’s valid, and I obviously have a bias towards Pac, I’m just presenting the flip side of it.
You can't do this. You can't do the whole ignoring a fight, then saying a draw was a loss. Because remember the 3rd Leonard Duran fight was the same year that Duran upset Barkley. It was Duran's next fight after he upset Barkley. If Duran was good enough to beat Barkley earlier that year, then Leonard beating him later that year is still very relevant. Yes they were old, but it still matters. It still needs to be counted. Besides, the first fight between them was very close. Duran got the decision but many thought Leonard won. There were a ton of even rounds scored by the judges in their first match over 15 rounds. If we're honest, Leonard Duran 1 was less clear of a Duran win than Leonard Hearns 2 was of a Hearns win. So anotherwords you could argue that Leonard deserved to beat Duran all 3 times but just didn't get the decision the first time, due to Duran getting a hometown decision, whereas you really can't say that Leonard beat Hearns twice because he clearly didn't the 2nd time and pretty much everyone thought Leonard didn't even deserve a draw in the rematch. Anotherwords, a lot more people thought Leonard really deserved that win vs Duran the first time than people thought he deserved the win or even the draw in the Hearns rematch. Also when you say that Leonard Duran 3 was meaningless, and that it would be like if Floyd fought Pacquiao now. I think it's important to point out that many felt that way after Floyd vs Pacquiao happened because it was so disappointing, people wanted to see Floyd vs Pac back in 2009 or 2010 when they were both in their primes, and by 2015 they both were faded versions of themselves. But if Floyd Pacquiao happened now, Pacquiao would be the clear favorite at this point. As he was between 2008-2012 before he got KO'd by Marquez. Pacquiao was widely seen as better than Floyd between 2008-2012, but then Floyd was widely seen as better than Pacquiao between 2012-2015, then Floyd retired. Now Pacquiao is once again seen as better than Floyd at this point because he's still an active fighter and in his last fight got a massive win. So if Pacquiao fought Floyd now, it would still be a mega fight, and it would probably be a hell of a lot better than their 2015 encounter. Because by now Floyd has slowed down more than Pacquiao has, and Pacquiao would probably win. Finally, the general consensus was not that Hagler was robbed vs Leonard. That is utterly ridiculous. Sure there's a large chunk of people on here who argue that, similar to those that argue GGG was robbed vs Canelo the first time they fought. But at the time that Leonard beat Hagler, it was seen widely as a clear victory for SRL. The story of the fight was that Hagler took Leonard too lightly, and came out fighting orthodox and gave away the early rounds. Leonard won rounds with lighting quick combinations then using his footwork to make Hagler chase him. There's a lot of Hagler fans who refuse to admit he lost to Leonard similar to GGG fans who refuse to admit he lost to Canelo or even drew with him the first time. This is called fan pride and not wanting to admit defeat.
