Any Middleweights you'd favor over Sam Langford?

Then he shouldnt have been so protected. But for a guy who supposedly didnt need protecting he sure had it didnt he. I mean, after all he was fighting in a ring that he trained in. He was fighting in a venue owned by his promoter who had an interest in his success. His fights were often refereed by the Bakers, Snowy being Darcy's manager. There was a path laid out at ringside, all of the way around specifically for Snowy to walk, unobstructed around the ring shouting instructions. Several fighters did come back and allege that fight fixing was rampant in Australia. Sorry but those are undeniable facts. You may want to believe Darcy wasnt protected but thats a pretty ****ing protected fighter by any standards. If that **** went on today Darcy would never hear the end of it. Thats your hero. I didnt create that situation Im just telling it like it is. If you find that insulting or have a hard time hearing it then I suggest you stick to whatever bull**** you are reading because it isnt telling you the full story. Boxrec maybe?

 

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LOL he trained at Mosman, not Rushcutters bay but nice try sport... ya little champion you.

YEP

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Gee maybe a fan did find a few good films of Greb and realised the fights were all fixed and destroyed the films to protect his legacy.... lol..... American boxing has always been the most corrupt ever.... LaMotta anybody ??? remember what he said ?.......

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Darcy was Australian champion, no one disputes that.

If Chisora beats Pulev he'll be the champion of Europe, no one should dispute that.

To be world champion you have to have beaten the world champion.

Titles have been on the line before when a champion comes in over weight.

Tbh mate this point is beyond debate. McCoy was an awful champ but he was a champ. Darcy was a terrific prospect but he was a prospect.

 

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Way up North, on the Shawanaga, after the drive one spring we saw Long Bill Garrett celebrate by cleaning up a whole shantytown saloon full of inebriated lumberjacks.
Long Bill wrestled, choked, hit, kicked, gauged, kneed, butted, crippled two opponents by crushing their toes beneath grinding corks of his river boats and sent another the length of the bar and crashing through a door with the whirling "French lick," the deadliest kick in tough and tumble warfare.
Harry Greb, the middleweight champion fought Lou Bogash according to Long Bill Garret's code in the First Regiment Armory, Newark, last night.
Harry didn't kick or knee or bite. He didn't have corked boots on so he could grab and tear Bogash’s toes to pulp. He wasn't master of the "French lick," and probably never heard of it. But outside of those things Greb was Long Bill Garrett all over again.
Greb wrestled. He held and hit. Nine-tenths of Harry's blows were delivered while he was holding Bogash with one hand and hitting him with the other. The champion butted often, heeled continually, repeatedly thrust out his open hand In an endeavor to stick his thumb in one of his opponent's eyes and his fingers in the other.
Referee Henry Lewis allowed Greb to get away with it all.
Yet all the rough house tactics Greb called into play couldn't prevent his receiving the beating of his gay young life.
Utterly unable to solve Bogash’s puzzling style, Harry was forced to take all of his opponent’s thumbs and get in mighty few in return. Bogash won so clearly and convincingly that even Greb realized what a sorry showing he was making and tried to turn it all off with a sickly smile.
Two things alone prevented Bogash from being crowned champion.
One was that the bout was a twelve- round, no-decislon affair which went the limit. The other was that both men were over the middleweight limit of 160 pounds, the champion scaling 166 pounds and the challenger tipping the beam at 163.
Lewis Delinquent.
If Referee Lewis rightly had performed his duties he would have disqualified Greb long before the end of the bout, and if the men had been at weight that would have meant the crowning of a new champion despite the fact it was a no-decision bout.
But the referee was delinquent and allowed Greb to commit everything short of murder.
Greb’s friends declared that Bogash fit as a fiddle and fresh from victory over Jock Malone, caught the champion out of condition. That can be Greb’s only alibi, for Bogash hit him four ways from the proverbial Jack and beat him despite the fact that Greb was allowed to violate almost every rule of the Marquis of Queensberry code.
One round was about the same as the other.
Bogash, in his peculiar low crouch, bobbing, shifting head thrust out like a fighting ****'s, would wait his chance and then suddenly leap inside Greb’s guard like Don Quixote charging the windmill. Lou would lash his left to the body, whip it up to the head and then rip and slash away at Greb's midsection with rapid fire body blows.
When Greb wasn't heeling, gouging and butting he was trying to hold Bogash with his left and wallop him with the right or vice versa.
Bogash quickly solved Greb's style, while Harry found Lou a puzzling enigma.

Greb only won one round, the ninth. The first and sixth was even. Bogash took all the others, some of them by a margin which made the champion look like a tyro.
If Bogash holds his present form and gets Greb in a decision contest here in New York there win be a new champion as sure as you're born. Paste that in your hat and see what the future rings forth.
Harry Wills has been matched to meet Jack Thomson in the First Regiment Armory next Monday night and on November 19, Harry Greb will face Battling Siki.

 

No... Darcy was called the World Champion "Australian version"... he fought for what was billed as world title fights, he beat Jeff Smith previous holder of the belt, you cannot deny this belt existed. Why do you discount Darcy yet thinks its ok for all these other titlists like those in the 30's 40's and the WBA or WBC etc... in other words if Darcy is no champ then there has not been a world champion in half a century. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, YOU CANNOT DISCOUNT DARCY YET SAY ALL THESE OTHERS ARE CHAMPS...... THAT's a DOUBLE STANDARD....... You just wanna get get into Klompton's favour ????

 

This isn't even debateable,the fact that McCoy was a poor world champion does not alter the fact that he WAS the world champion .The fact that Darcy and several others could possibly have beat him 7 days a week and twice on Sundays is totally irrelevant.
McCoy beat the reigning champion and, in doing so became the champion ,Darcy did not and so he NEVER became the champ.
It doesn't get any simpler than that!

 

Lee Savold was called the world heavyweight champion by the BBBOC when he beat Bruce Wood**** ,what does that mean ? F*ck all.
We have a clear trajectory of title lineage after Klaus established himself as the champion by beating Papke

Frank Klaus (1913)
George Chip (1913-1914)
Al McCoy (1914-1917)
Mike O’Dowd (1917-1920)
Johnny Wilson (1920-1923)
Harry Greb (1923-1926)
Tiger Flowers (1926)

 

But it was a NO Dec and both were over weight so, if Bogash had won every round it still would not have made him champion, it's therefore irrelevant.

ps Your report of the fight says Greb won only one round, these two reports score it somewhat differently, one gives the decision to Greb!


1923-10-22 : Harry Greb 168 lbs beat Lou Bogash 163 lbs by NWS in round 12 of 12

• Location: 1st Regiment Armory, Newark, New Jersey, USA
• Referee: Henry Lewis

"In a bout teeming with action, Harry Greb, middleweight champion, was outspeeded by Lou Bogash of Bridgeport, Conn., the concensus of opinion being that Bogash carried six rounds to Greb's five, one being even. Those credited to the Bridgeport entry were the 3rd, 5th, 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th, his rally in the last four rounds bringing home the verdict after Greb had had all the better of the early going. The champion won the honors in the 1st, 2nd, 6th, 7th and 9th rounds. Because no decisions are permitted in New Jersey, the fact tht both men were over the middleweight limit, Greb weighing 166 pounds and Bogash 163, honor and not the title went with the latter's victory. The bout was a rough one from the outset." -International News Service

• Attendance - 7,000
• Gate - $6,120 (Gross), $5,508 (Net)
• Purses - Greb - $3,000, Bogash - $1,377

“Greb earned a decision by a fair margin...There was a difference of opinion last night of whether Greb or Bogash had earned a victory. There seems, however, no question that the middleweight champion, by his ability to hit with either hand from almost any angle and his decidedly aggressive tactics, finished well ahead of the sturdy chap from Bridgeport, who depended largely on a lunging left and who in the fighting invariably was outpunched by Greb…the champion had much superior footwork and his stepping around and feinting often had Bogash tied in knots.
It does not look as if Bogash ever would be able to earn a decision over Greb. He lacks speed and has a style that is easy to fathom. He goes through the same tactics round after round, and it is easy for a man of Greb’s all-around ability to make Bogash’s attacks, as a rule, futile.” --Newark Star Eagle

NB Greb had fought Tommy Loughran just eleven days earlier!

Tearing down Greb with ONE fight report won't do anything fo enhance Darcy's standing ,it's just silly.

 

I was not even trying to suggest that he should be champion, just that what you read in boxrec may not always be true, it seems Greb broke many rules but got away with it. Apparently Greb spent some days in hospital after this. We all know styles make fights and maybe Greb had trouble with some crouchers. I am not trying to take down Greb either but it is clear he was not unbeatable. This has nothing to do with Darcy either but I am happy if it even slightly annoys that other dude. As this was a ND bout newspaper report verdicts are meaningless apart from giving us the enjoyment of reading about these events, one thing I see from all this is that it seems some of these writers didn't care if half the punches Greb threw were while he was holding Bogash.... I hope you understand that Underwood is one of the most highly respected sportswriters America has ever produced and he was at the fight, most likely at ringside.

 

I am wondering why you do not seem to recognise that McCoy was not highly recognised as the champion and that this was a very unstable era for the MW division... you do realize Ketchel was murdered while titleholder don't you so Papke had a very slender claim therefore all claims were slender until Greb proved to be a great champion then it stabilized so why are you arguing about this unless you are trying to suggest darcy was just an average ordinary fighter and not the most famous fighter ever to come from Australia... (no doubt because most modern Australian's don't realize that Bob Fitzsimmons was an Aussie or at least half Aussie)

 

The reporter for the Newark Star who gave the fight to Greb was likely at ringside too since the fight was in his town!

 

I think I may have heard Ketchel was shot .:hey

I'm not trying to suggest anything.
I'm stating unequivocally that Darcy was never a world champion. Fitz was not half Australian or half anything else he was born in Helston Cornwall ,[I've seen his birthplace], and began learning boxing in NZ, on his being domiciled in the US he took out American citizenship.
You just keep the flame burning:good

 

You have been sucker punched by American BS and by your buddy

 

As I said Papke had a slim claim and Smith beat him before this fight, but you believe whatever the fark you wanna believe, if you are trying to get me to say Darcy sucks you are wasting your time pom.