Any MMA fighter you think have enough boxing skills to make top 20 pro boxing ranks?

You're not answering my question. I asked you why MMA is not a style in itself, especially when most other combat sports also consistently benefit from crosstraining.

As you didn't comment on my question of BJJ being a style unto itself, I shall elaborate. BJJ comes from Judo, they have almost the exact same moveset. The only thing that makes them different from one another is their ruleset and training methodology. BJJ guys focus on the groundwork, which is why they are usually better at it, whereas Judo focuses on the standup throwing aspect.

Would you doubt that BJJ is a style? Or, seeing as Judo gets its moveset from Japanese Jujitsu, would you say Judo is not a style?

I fail to see the reasoning behind your comment that MMA is not a style unto itself.

 

"Style" was maybe a poorly choosen word, "art" would perhaps be better.

I don't want to get into a semetic arguement since its really not got much to do with this discussion, its the training methods that give rise to MMA fighters i'm talking about. The obvious difference between MMA and boxing is that for the majority of fighters there devolpment as fighters is not solely the result of training within that enviroment.

Elite MMA fighters are generally taking high level skills in one or more martial arts and then cross training in a number of other arts. Often those other arts have been adapted(and simplifed) for MMA and there original art often has to be aswell BUT the biggest factor that prevents them having high level skills in those other arts is lack of training time.

It seems fairly simple to grasp to me but Boxing fans consistantly seem to take the view that most MMA fighters only moved into fightsport late in life when in reality almost all of them have been training since their teens.

 

james toney :deal

 

Whut?
How do 'style' and 'art' differ in reference to combat sports in your opinion?

You start with 'I don't want to get into a semetic arguement', which I'm gonna go ahead and assume you meant semantic, but then you completely desert the question.

The question is whether any MMA fighters have the boxing skills to make the top 20 boxing ranks. This in itself implicitly excludes extra training, so why the hell you're going off on this tangent about how long they've been training, or what the perception is of them, is beyond me.

 

go straight into the top 20? a couple might be able to. I think JDS and Belfort have quality speed and power and boxing skills. A good win over a top 20 is possible, especially when there are 4 major orgs and a top 20 in one could be more of a top 80 overall.

most likely i dont think they could go straight in against a top 20 boxer, not really. but i do think they could get to that level if they worked hard and worked their way up.

now stop talking to people like a **** and learn some respect.

 

So I'm talking to you like a **** because I question your assertions? Really? You must have a hard time in real life then.

Respect is earned, and this is the internet.. Why the hell would I respect you?

 

...because the fact that few if any MMA fighters are likely to have the skills to suceed at the highest level of boxing is often brought up as a negative.

If in reality what were seeing is fighters skilled in wrestling, BJJ, MT, Judo etc transitioning into MMA and then adding lower level abilties in other MA's to there games then a lack of fighters with high level boxing is more a reflection of the lack of boxers shifting to MMA rather than the skill level within the sport as a whole.

 

For the most part I agree with this.. But that doesn't change the fact it's irrelevant to the question.

 

The question itself is IMHO somewhat loaded given its history, you only have to look at that thread about Floyds comments to see it being used to trash MMA.

 

you are patronising and condescending.

your last line shows you are generally a dickhead.

respect isn't earned. it is a fundamental amongst humans, whether it is on the internet or not.

admiration is earned. respect is mandatory, at least amongst civilised human beings.

 

Nope, I simply asked you questions based on the assertions you made, for which you were unable to provide an answer. You then attempted to desert the question (a common thing among people losing an argument) so I offered to remind you of it.

In your opinion. To most people I would imagine that it strikes as common sense. Your last line of 'learn some respect' would seem more absurd seeing as you are talking over the internet and have no good reason for requesting that I respect you beyond general butthurtedness

Nope, people are civil to each other, by which I mean they refrain from attacking each other (physically/verbally). You could call this respect, but it's more of a grand social survival mechanism and doesn't apply to relationships between individuals.

Respect for an individual is earned. Asking me to respect someone whom I've never met, never will meet, and who is unable to give logical on-topic responses - as well as getting the complete hump when they're wrong - is simply out of the question.

 

You should meet the real OnePunch

 

If you're referring to the guy named One punch (<--There's a space), then I've heard about him already. If you don't mean that then do me a favour and clarify

 

it's not that bad that complete novices fighting in a second tier sport could dabble part time in boxers' discipline of choice and be competitive.

a handyman never does the quality work of a specialist in that field, it may be passable, even look good but it's never done as well or as fast.