Any reason a champ with 23 title defenses, 9 yr reign not be considered an ATG?

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  1. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Speaking of reigns. Why dont you compare the reigns of Monzon, Gomez, Holmes, Duran, Ali to this guy
     
  2. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    From all I've heard/read (and I'm Polish so I could hear/read things that others on here couldn't) it appears as obvious to me even though I can't be 100% sure either.

    Anyway I have no doubts Roy would beat Michalczewski decisively. When you, for example compare the way they both dealt with Hall (especially what the freaking hell RJJ did with him), it's hard to think otherwise. Roy is underrated today because of what happened to him after he came back from heavyweight but in his prime he was truly damn near unbeatable IMO. People say he only fought taxi drivers but Toney and B-Hop would probably have something else to say about it ;) they're both nearly (arguably) ATG's and he didn't even have his hands full with them (arguably nearly shut them out).

    My guess is that the Michalczewski fight would look similar to those two. Would also love to see it though :good
     
  3. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    RJJ could beat him? odds are you're right. Too bad Hopkins and Toney fought Jones and lost. That right there ruins any chance either of them ever had of receiving HOF honors or consideration as ATG's. :roll:
     
  4. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any less impressive than Hopkins or Calzaghe's title reign opposition? As God and Morrade Hakkar is my witness, you better not say yes.
     
  5. freelaw

    freelaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nah, I didn't even refer to your topic much :D (I hardly care for ATG rankings in general). That's just what I usually say about Michalczewski in threads about him because I find this him vs Roy debate pointless. Most Poles will tell you something similar too. He's not very likable with his mix of cockiness and obvious fear of RJJ. He was comfortable in Germany fighting on less or more, European level, had no ambition to truly go for the highest prizes in boxing.

    And I agree with this point. Same with Holmes.
     
  6. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All signs point to mutual avoidance. If you have an article or video with Roy calling Mikey out, I'd like to see it posted. thanks.
     
  7. Boxing Gloves

    Boxing Gloves Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He didnt fight the best available to him, simple as. He was happy being a belt holder rather than being THE champ.
     
  8. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    RJJ is from another planet of very fast aliens. Any loss to prime Jones should be immediately forgiven.
    Watching Ray Leonard in his hey day I just knew that I'd never see anyone that fast again in my lifetime.
    Then...BOOM! out of ****ing nowhere; Roy ****ing Jones.
     
  9. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first notable Gomez fought he was KO'd (Sanzhez). Ok, second notable, good job against moving up in weight Zarate (CZ is another ATG who doesn't get the press he deserved IMO). Am I missing someone in the gomez resume?:huh

    Duran's defenses were against mostly unremarkable contenders and journeymen, his reputed punching power not the greatest despite reports. He beat Dejesus twice. Dejesus a competent champ but not an ATG in anyone's book. took all night long and into later rounds to KO fighters that other fighters KO'd faster and easier.

    Monzon, a great fighter, but not sure what great fighter he actually beat. Blown up welters Jose Napoles and Emile Griffith perhaps? :huh the Griffith fight was 3 or 4 years since he held a title. Not at the top of Griffiths game.

    Holmes, my top 3 heavies of all time, always getting butchered by the press for his level of championship competition. Scott Ledeoux, Frank Scott, Lucien Rodriguez, Marvis Frazer? :roll:

    Ali, a lot of bums and also mixed in the best fighters of his day. so yes, I do hold Ali in higher regard than Michalczewski. Despite the cherry-picked sparring matches he had as champion. I put Ali's resume above everyone else's on your list just because of the guys he beat like Liston, Foreman, Frazer, Norton.

    So there, I did compare those guys for you, happy?
     
  10. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who besides Roy (500 lb gorilla in the room) Jones Jr did he avoid?
     
  11. zoo

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    Reality is though he got railroaded by all of the other sanctioning bodies. If you look at it, from a lineal standpoint, he should have had all four:

    WBO - Obvious
    WBA - Defeated Hill for the title, WBA refused to be unified with WBO
    IBF - Defeated Hill who was also IBF champion, IBF gave DM 30 days to defend, a ridiculous request.
    WBC - Defeated Rocchigiani, who was the rightful WBC champion and proved in court was stripped without cause.
     
  12. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Michalczewski explains his views of Roy Jones Jr.

    I couldn't have said it better myself.

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  13. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can pronounce it, so I pass your not-****** test. I cannot express how delighted and utterly important it is to me that you, Mr. moneypaysbills, think that I am not ******ed. Whew, dodged that bullet!
     
  14. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and International Boxing Council light heavyweight title also
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    No cos most of his reign he wasn't close to being number 1 in the division.

    He beat hill fair and square to take top spot but then within two years he was slacking in competition whilst Jones was unifying all the belts to become the divisional number 1.