Any resume can be picked apart. Every fighter can be over or underrated.

Well said. I prefer to just enjoy the sport and not get too overwrought with emotion pro or con any fighter.

 

A gallant effort my friend. But you failed Everything underlined and in bold is provably untrue. Anyone who attempted to use this as their argument would get easily shredded by anyone with even a modicum of knowledge of Greb and his career.

 

Greb did not exist. He's a mythological figure.

 

Hookie I understand some of what you say, me, I don't get boiled up or overly moved by "Greatness" as it has become defined in recent years. and here's why. there are Great fighters of course there are, you better believe there are, BUT there are literally HUNDREDS MORE than often credited or cited because at the Top and I mean TOP, the level of difference is very little or non excitant...

BUT again there are also ELITE fighters too and for varying reasons, mostly Longevity and High level competition throughout those Long years, i.e Robinson, Pep, Moore and likewise Harry Greb, his record is hard to argue against, he is an Elite great.

I will say one other thing though, in the early years of Prize fighting it was rough, crude and brutal, Boxing & fighters did not become refined as we know it today until about the mid 20s (with the odd exception) and peaked by the mid 30s to the late 50s & 60s, with decline in comp beginning to show it's self, so some of Greb's opponents would have been lesser men than their contemporaries 20 years later, just as many today are lesser than most of those Top men from that Golden PEAK period in Boxing. So yes some of the Greb mystique is just that, mystique.

BUT Harry Greb is very definitely and Elite Great.

 

Its quite simple really. You get debate, both reasonable, and unreasonable.

Then you get fvcking FANBOYS, and all reason goes out the window. Unfortunately the internet is riddled with them, with the most polarised opinions concerning Tyson, Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Jones Jr.

Some of the drivel written about those four by their worshippers, would embarrass a cuckoos nest.

 

Go take a look at the Greb book thread. Klompton explains it pretty clearly. You can make a pretty good case for Harry being 3-2 over Tunney. Their second fight was a highway robbery.

Sure he did. In fact, he pretty much thrashed him in their second and third fights. Greb was 4-1-1 vs Loughran. That's pretty dominant:smoke

Now let's not get carried away here Greb was a one-eyed fighter at the very end of his career. He was well past it and yet both of those fights were considered controversial decisions. The final one many considered a robbery, including Gene Tunney (a friend of Flowers) and William Muldoon. The back story behind Greb-Flowers III and Walk Miller's shenanigans are an interesting little drama.

Prime for prime, I think it's pretty safe to say that Greb thrashes Flowers.

 

You can add Foreman and Tunney onto that list as well.