Any version of Lenny from 1989-2003 vs the Tyson finishing combination (round 3) in Tyson-Bruno 2

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  1. UFC2015

    UFC2015 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is by far the best and most scary combination i believe Tyson ever threw in his entire career. Watch from 0:40 to 2:27 where he threw a total of 13 punches. If you watch it without the replay you can't even see a single punch at a time on tv let alone the other fighter facing it.

    We all know that Lewis was a master specialist at fighting big where he imposed his height, reach, weight and prevented boxers from getting close to him and keeping them at range. Tyson when he was in his prime and for 1-2 years out of prison from 1995-97, was a master at getting inside taller, bigger, heavier guys with lengthy reaches and once he got inside he would be renowned for closing the show very very quickly.

    The Tyson that fought Lewis in 2002 was just unrecognizable, in fact he looked like a disgraceful imposter. Fat, over weight, slow as ****, throwing just one punch, stationary target whereas Lewis was still closer to his prime.

    The question is would any version of Lewis from 1989 to 2003 would have been able to deal with the Tyson 13 punch combination which finished Bruno in 1996? Tyson was 220 pounds in this fight and his hand speed was like the handspeed of old. Don't forget Bruno was 248 lbs in this fight and Lewis was 249 lbs in the 2002 fight. Would Lewis's weight and clinching tactics have been enough to neutralize Tyson's 13 punch combination of the 1996 Bruno fight? Would Lewis's chin have been able to withstand these punches? Would Tyson have been hurt, discouraged by Lewis's punching power and upper cuts as he tried this 13 punch combination against Lewis?

    Thought i would post this to invite an interesting debate
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member Full Member

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    No way would he have this sort of leway against Lewis.
     
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    UFC2015 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The question is would Lewis's face have survived this combination from Tyson? Big question marks over a guy who got ko'd from single shots to the face from D level fighters
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Tyson would not have got that combo in so the question is somewhat moot. It's virtually impossible to ask who would take what, survive what. Would Holmes have stayed up taking the right hand Frazier did? All interesting but complete guess work. At the end of the day any fighter is going to struggle taking lots of shots from a big hitter in a short time.
     
  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Damn the quality of that footage is amazing.

    Tyson was an animal
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yep tyson was a beast at his best. But Lewis would have been prepared for the best version of tyson, when mccall and rahman dropped him I honestly think he took those guys so lightly. Neither were known for amazing blast out s tyson style. Lennox probably thought it was going to be a easy defence against the two and learned the hard way twice. Against tyson he would be in high alert mode. Tyson would still be throwing those combo s but Lewis would be throwing his own back in there. And Lewis unlike Bruno was confident in him self to do that. Frank was a hit and hope for the best against tyson but lewis would be aiming and confident. This version of tyson would definitely give Lewis a much harder time than when they did meet but late rounds stoppage for lennox I believe.
     
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    This is riddiculous, Tyson at his best would definately have got that combo in against any fighter in history let alone Chinny girly Lenni.
     
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    I find it funny that Lenny nut huggers attribute his losses to Mccall and Rahman simply down to a lack of preperation and focus but do not give the same leeway to Tyson against Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis.

    In the Mccall fight lewis came in very good shape and he looked pretty well conditioned. In the Rahman fight he did appear to be struggling with the altitude but cmon he did not take any punishment at all before that shot to the face.

    Tyson against Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis was struggling for air, for gas, he was fatigued but still kept taking punches and some serious murderous punches late into the fight.

    Lewis has not faced anyone with Tyson's speed, power and if the same combination in 1996 which finished Bruno landed on him, i am sorry there is no evidence his chin would have held up given that he never faced a finisher like Tyson.

    I personally feel Tyson made a blunder by opting for Holyfield in 1996, he should have accepted the fight with Lewis albeit for less money because he still had decent hand speed and power back then which was enough to get the job done against Lewis in the early rounds.
     
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  9. Fergy

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    First off I'm definitely not a Lewis nuthugger, I'm a fan of tyson which if you look at my profile ull see. I like both tyson and Lewis alike. I just try to see things unbiased best I can. Yes Lewis lost twice to guys he shouldn't have, luckily he had the chance to show who was the better fighter. Tyson never did with Dougie and in the rematch with holyfield he snapped. He was probably a better fighter than Douglas on any other day and would have proved that given a chance. But when I pitch tyson v Lewis I don't see lewysuffering a ko similar to mccall or rahman. But I do see tyson losing against Lewis as he did Douglas.

    Lewis proved he could come back. Tyson didn't. When losing he took his lumps like a man but he still lost. Lewis fought hard against mercer, came back against vitali and Bruno. He proved when hurt or struggling he could.

    That s why in a tough fight against tyson Lewis would prevail imo. Tyson would have great moments of success but Lewis isn't just going to fall down at the first good combo tyson throws. How many times was Douglas ko d and yet he for the most part stood up to tyson. It doesn't stand to reason that because u ve been ko d out in the past you will be automatically ko d again by tyson. Douglas proved that.
     
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    Lewis could not survive a prime Tyson.

    When you fight tyson you better be tough and have a good chin cause you are definitely going to eat some bombs, and when you get ktfo twice by a single punch by mediocre fighters, then no, you don't have a chance against prime tyson.
     
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  11. Contro

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    Come on man, tyson would never land combinations like that on Lewis unless he badly hurt him first. Im a Tyson fan but you're making us look bad with your threads.
     
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    He doesn't need to land a combo, just one good punch and lewis is out cold.
     
  13. Contro

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    You're the big bowe fan right? Rahman hits bowe with the same punch i think Bowe is done as well. For sure if its Tyson. Even if he got up he would be facing a follow up barrage from someone who was neither a physically ill gassed out 30 pound smaller old man or a psychologically inhibited wreck who's visible panic attacks kept him from finishing. Lewis fought several big hitters and has a good record against big punchers. Im not convinced at all that bowe took a better punch than lewis
     
  14. UFC2015

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    How so exactly? You are again making excuses for Lewis's defeats that he wasn't prepared while you are discounting the fact that Tyson was not prepared for his defeats either. It is on record that Tyson was not prepared for Douglas. He had only trained for like 10-14 days for the first Holyfield fight and he came into training camp in Hawai a month before the Lewis fight at 300 lbs where there were photographs of him smoking Marijuana at the beach.

    Exactly what do you base a Lewis victory over a 1985-88 at his best with his footspeed, handspeed, dangerous KO power in both hands, finishing skills on the inside or even the 1989-91, 1995-97 Tyson?

    Tyson beat Bruno both times in a way more convincing fashion, its funny how people give Lewis so much credit for defeating Bruno where he was outboxed for 6 rounds but dismiss Bruno as a bum given that Tyson beat him twice in devastating fashion. Mercer apart from his chin with all due respect was a very limited boxer, he was in even worse shape in the Lewis fight (who was in much better shape compared to his opponent) as compared to the Larry Holmes fight, Mercer in fact was robbed against Lewis. Lewis got extremely lucky to win on cuts against Vitali. It is on record that Lewis twice did not come back from that one big shot to the face twice from D level fighters.

    When Tyson threw his combinations, you could not even count the punches live, you needed a replay to count how many punches he threw exactly. I am sorry but a guy who got ko'd twice by single shots to the face, to put a bet on him surviving those 10-15 punch combinations is a kin to burning your money. Sorry but there is no convincing argument that Lewis will easily survive Tyson's fast and furious combinations.

    That was the worst version of Tyson. There is no doubt in a rematch, he would been another Tyson Ko victim. And for the record Tyson actually won that fight where Douglas got a 13-14 second count.
     
  15. UFC2015

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    If the likes of Frank Bruno, Vitali, Briggs and many other fighters can wobble Lewis, Tyson being the legendary finisher that he was, the moment he sees a sniff will finish him in devastating fashion.