Any version of Lenny from 1989-2003 vs the Tyson finishing combination (round 3) in Tyson-Bruno 2

The point i was trying to make was that it is one thing to wobble someone and another thing to finish a fighter off. Both Lewis and Tyson were excellent finishers. But i don't think Lewis ever faced a finisher like Tyson. It is one thing to recover from the likes of Bruno, Briggs and another thing to recover from Tyson's onslaught. Even the great Larry Holmes who was a master of recovering from bad situations could not recover and Tyson was the only guy to Ko him. Tyson was the only guy to Ko Thomas. Tyson in his prime with his defence was impossible to hit with more than one punch.

Tyson fought a much better Tony Tucker, Razor Ruddock, Tyrel Biggs compared to Lewis when he fought these fighters. The Tony Tucker who fought against Lewis was finished. Lewis had to hit Golata with combinations, a badly diminished faded Tyson just hit him to the face once.

The question is absolutely justified. Lack of preperation, not taking an opponent seriously is no ****ing excuse for going down like a girl via one big shot to the face. It has not happened to any legendary heavy weight in history, even if they have gone down, they have come back to finish the fight and recuperated.

Tyson went down in his losses after considerable punishment in the later rounds and showing warrior spirit. Lenny went down early on in the fight like an over protected girl via one big shot to the face and was unable to recover which is inexcusable given that he had not even taken any punishment in those fights. There is a world of a difference between the former and the later

Holyfield took advantage of Tyson's lack of stamina and conditioning for longer fights. Tyson never got knocked down and out because of an inability to take a shot to the face. It was his lack of stamina and conditioning which eventually got up with him but he only went down after being exhausted. Holyfield when he faught Tyson was 34 and when he fought Lewis was 37 and way past his prime, if anything it was Lewis's superior conditioning over Tyson which enabled him to fight 12 rounds and was a key factor in him going the distance over Holyfield.

Against Douglas he is up at the count of 10. Against Holyfield he is on his feet when the ref decides to step in (that is not his chin but his conditioning) while Holyfield is peppering Tyson with combinations in the last 2 rounds but unable to bring him down. Against the murderous punching Lewis he took 167 shots to the face inspite of being in the worst physical condition of his life, where he shot his load in round 1 and is breathing heavy in round 2 and conveniently only finally decided to lay down after wanting to quit on his stool but denied by his corner, even then Lewis had to push him down for the final ko and Tyson was half way up at 10 with a steady clear undazzed head.

Against Williams he tried his best to fight on one knee and he was not knocked out cold, it was clear to every nuetral observer that he made the logical choice that it was pointless to continue fighting with one leg.

Point is that Lenny's girly losses to Mccall and Rahman are going to justifiably remain a huge black mark on his career just like Tyson's losses to Douglas. The 2 biggest names of Lewis's resume are Holyfield who was past his prime when Lewis got to him and Tyson who was totally shot. His wins over these 2 guys deservedly do not get taken seriously beyond a certain point.

 

I have watched the 2002 fight so many times. Trust me there is a world of a difference between the 1996 Tyson and 2002 Tyson.

Tyson was so shockingly bad in 2002. His technique, foot work is totally eroded. Even when fresh, his punching technique is so bad, he is losing punching power because of not throwing it with the right technique. Plus his 234 lb weight is another major disadvantage, i believe he was 300 lbs when he arrived at training camp in Hawai. It was a career defining fight, i have no idea why did he not train properly or take that fight seriously. He took the Holyfield loss personally but didn't give a damn about losing to Lewis? Bizzare

 

The fact that it took Lewis (who was at his best or 1-2 year past his best) almost 9 rounds of constant destruction, holding and pushing and a final push to get rid of a fat old, shot and worst ever version of Tyson is telling.

If this was a 1988 Tyson, he can get the Ko easily, if Lewis successfully saves that chin, Tyson will definately out work him and win a UD comfortably. But there is no ****ing way any version of Lewis will seriously hurt Tyson from 1985-88. After 1988 if Tyson doesn't train, then Lewis is more than capable of pulling of a Buster douglas. But if Tyson from 1989-1992 or 1995-97, trains decently even if ignores his defensive skills, then there is sufficient evidence that he can take Lewis's best shots and even deal with his combinations and Tyson is the type of fighter to take a punch or to take punches to land his own punches and combinations. But can Lewis take Tyson's punches and combinations and if wobbled can he successfully deal with Tyson's speed, power and finishing skills? Justified question marks, when the heat and pressure is on, he will be confused between "Do i hold him?, Do i fire back?"

 

Tyson took Buster Douglas lightly, he survived till Round 10 after taking an absolute beat down. Tyson took Holyfield 1 lightly, stayed on his feet till the end of the fight. He was not serious during the Lewis fight, he stayed on his feet till round 8.

These excuses by these Lenni huggers are absolutely lame. Lack of preparation and not taking your opponent seriously has nothing to do with not surviving that one big shot to the face.

 

Nah, Lenny deserves to be mocked. He is a sore looser who even today talks ill about the boxers in his time. He still continues to mock and insult Rahman for knocking him out cold. He still continues to mock Riddick Bowe even though the guy is now punch drunk. His post fight behavior in the Vitali fight was a disgrace. And the manner in which he talks about beating a prime Holyfield and Tyson is ludicrous.