Any word on Roach and his comments? One thing I know about Roach is he's a straight shooter which is what bothers me the most. Why in God's name was he so overconfident, taking bets with Stephen A and people and telling media,"My biggest fear is Manny thinks this is going to be too easy," and then suddenly dissapear from round 1 and seem stoic? I know it's easy to say he was dumb founded by Mayweather, but this is not the case, Freddie looked like he knew something bad from the get go. I really wanna hear his take from what the hell happened. I used to train at WC boxing club back in the days (2003-2006). Freddie and his brother Pepper were really good people. Of course, Justin and Macka trained most of the up and coming fighters while Freddie obsessed over Manny as well as James Toney who took up alot of time back then. I was a kid, and you walk into WC boxing club and there's Manny, James Toney, Frank Stallone, Ben Tackie, and Sam Simon (co-creator of Simpsons, sadly he passed recently) on a daily basis training together and some random kid (aka me). The gym was usually empty in the early hours. I was just a kid at the time, about 17, and Manny Pac who was relatively unknown approached me and many other fights and said very encouraging stuff like,"man, you're going to be champion some day, keep working hard." Pac used to work so hard, I would get to the gym at 8 am, Manny was there, I would leave at around 11, some of my friends would tell me Manny is there 8 am-5 pm everyday. James Toney on the other hand is a totally different story, he used to come into the gym rapping a random song loudly ie,"MOVE *****, get out the way, get out the way ***** get out the way." Extremely rude to his sparring partners, used to say stuff mid sparring like,"I hit your momma harder last night, cmon son." He was the polar opposite of what we saw in Manny. Ben Tackie had a very nasty look on his face constantly, he always looked at me like he wanted to beat the dog **** out of me. I have no idea why, maybe he felt threatened that I was a young fighter about the same size. A few years back, I used to tell my friends I knew 'of' Manny, they believed me but it wasn't till I bumped into him and Freddie at an El Torito (mexican restaurant) in Burbank and they approached me to say hi that reality sank in for them. All around really good, humble people. Anyhow, one of my random life experiences, I am not a good fighter at all btw. I ended up being a doctor With that said, I genuinely hope Freddie recovers from this loss mentally. I know how important this was to him. At the end of the day, all trash talk and stuff aside, he's a warrior to go through his disease and train fighters. You have to applaud him as a human being for having the courage to do so.
Thanks for sharing the information, really cool that you've trained around legends like that and their daily grind, makes a change from the same old arguments and topics. No shame in being a doc, that's quite an achievement itself. Done a thousand times more than I could ever achieve where it concerns actually putting on some gloves myself. Roach seemed honest as hell going into this, I just can't believe he's had this consuming him for five years and they fall into the floyd trap regardless and manny claiming 'he ran and did nothing' after the fight. Manny just looked flummoxed and after the two right hands in round 1 seemed to second guess everything.
I believe the ko left its mark on Pacquiao. He doesn't want to go there again, before that Pacquiao took all kinds of risk. The one thing about mayweather is people underestimate his power. Look back to the Canelo fight, he was in no hurry to just rush in on mayweather. His speed and counters have guys thinking twice at times. When a guy is taller and more importantly longer then you. Knows how to use range and the jab pacquiao was in for a uphill battle here. His only real chance was to out work or ko mayweather. He was never going to win the fight on the outside.
timing is all that matters. you don't need power if you hit your opponent on the weakest of spots. you don't need your impregnable defense if you have the agility to run and perfect timing to clinch as very fast as you could too.
Not like the one from Marquez. First time was a big body shot. Second one he was getting chased down and beat up, but again it was a body shot that did him in. With Marquez he carelessly walked in to a brick and it was lights out. That kind of KO lives with you. When I used to box I went down from a big left and it took a bunch of wins and taking big shots to shake it off. Really hard to argue this wasn't the case with Pacquaio. He was very cautious and did not take many risks. Atlas nailed it when he said even if Pacquiao's right shoulder was hurt, his left and his legs weren't. The pre-Marquez Pacquaio would have kept pushing forward throwing repeated lefts to try to take Mayweather out. Pacquiao didn't fight with the heart he once had.
Thanks for that personal anecdote, Dr. Jesus. Reinforces my view of Manny as a stand-up guy. And yes, R.I.P. to Sam:?
Great stories, thanks for sharing. I always knew people became doctors when they couldn't cut it in the ring. :yep
Thanks for sharing Im sure Freddie will say something soon hey the Marquez loss was worse than this ..
Even tho he's got a disease it doesn't make him immune for all the backlash he should be getting for talking all that smack. I mean it can't be easy being so confident in winning, talking **** for like 5 years, calling Floyd out etc then when the fight acually happens your fighter gets totally outclassed. Long live the king!
