Anybody else gain a new respect for Guerrero last night?

about what lol if you think I am Berto fan

 

when i first heard guerrero won this fight i figured he would win me over as a fan. but after watching it i realizedhe held and hit the whole fight, i love inside fighting but this was borderline ruiz in my opinion. but i admit i admire that he was able to stick to his gameplan and took berto out of his fight and smother his offense. it was very hopkins like in that respect. but i found it pretty frustrating to watch.

 

I thought he stepped it up, both fighters put on an amazing display of grit and determination.

 

Fo sho. It was Berto the one holding on and you can't expect Guerrero to box like Floyd. Truth is Berto had his flaws and landed some uppercuts that would of dropped lesser men. Think what you want of Berto, but he was the favorite not Guerrero. Plus not only did Guerrero handle Berto, but was able to drop Berto. A split decision wouldnt surprise me, but Guerrero manhandled and dropped him. Once Berto finds out he cant knock you out he starts to crumble.

 

true berto did initiate a lot of the clinching but it was only in response to guerrero rushing in and trying to take the fight to the inside. you have to admit guerrero did the majority of holding and hitting while in the clinch (whether he initiated it or not) and landed the majority of his significant punches from this position, this definitely seemed to be his gameplan. so i do agree with you that berto initiated a lot of the clinching but it was guerrero who employed the dirtier tactics while in the clinch and he was using this to his advantage.

 

atsch

 

what's so atsch about that statement?

it was guerrero taking the fight to this position, he wanted to be in the clinch. the majority of fighters would've responded the way berto did by clinching if their opponent rushed in so they were literally chest to chest. it's obvious this was where guerrero wanted to be. look man i'm not a berto nuthugger, i was glad when i heard guerrero beat him but after watching his dirty tactics i'm pretty dissapointed. during his most significant punches when he knocked berto down he was literally holding the back of his head with his right arm while punching him with his left.

 

You agreed that Berto initiated the hugging but are complaining that Guerrero was the dirtier one.

Bottom line, fight was ugly but Guerrero beat Berto at his own game. And at least for that you gotta give it up to the Ghost.

And in regards to Berto holding, No, he did not have to constantly resort to
that.

 

:rofl atsch

So according to you, Guerrero's ¨gameplan¨ was to make Berto hold his arm all night so he could hit him with his free hand?

How do you pull a ¨plan¨ like that? Does Guerrero have mind control powers now? :rofl

Berto was using dirty holding tactics against Guerrero, they backfired because Ghost decided to use his free arm instead of waiting for Berto to release him whenever the **** he wanted to.

 

i never said his gameplan was to make berto hold him. it was to fight on the inside and fight dirty while trying to walk him down. berto responded by holding like the majority of fighters would in that situation. like i said i admire that he stuck to his gameplan and took berto out of his fight but i was pretty dissapointed with some of the tactics he employed

 

Fixed for accuracy

And dont act like Guerrero was the dirty one and rabbit puncher Berto was the clean and tidy one, both fighters got rough and dirty because the referee allowed it, Berto was the one who initiated the majority of the clinching and many of Guerrero's fouls where retaliation to Berto's fouls.

Like the above poster said, Guerrero just beat Berto at his own game

 

haha i definitely agree berto's inside game is terrible. and i agree it was unfair of me to not mention any of the dirty tactics berto employed. that rabbit punch in the fourth or fifth was greasy as **** and he was initiating most of the clinches. and i get it man you're a guerrero fan and you're defensive because you feel like i'm trying to discredit your fighter and you probably assume i'm some berto nuthugger but i honestly don't care for either fighter. the ref allowed it because he was honestly incompetent and probably lacked the physicality or stamina to break it up everytime guerrero rushed in and berto tied him up. i just felt like there was a 3:1 ratio in fouls commited in guerrero's favour and i don't like seeing fights that resemble wrestling matches. guerrero's strategy reminded me of randy couture's tactics in the ufc which isn't really my cup of tea. is it alright that i didn't enjoy the fight for these reasons?

 

People are either overly impressed or don't see anything special at all with his performance against Berto. The truth is RG is somewhere between the two extremes. RG's always been a tough guy to beat in my eyes. I was impressed by his win over a strong welterweight however I wouldn't say he's elite material. He needs to be put in the mix with the top guys at 140. If it was up to me I'd have him beat another top guy (maybe Bradley or Matthysse) before he earns the right to fight Pac or Floyd. He might end up doing that anyway because there's no way Arum lets Pac fight him. And Floyd isn't fighting again for a long time. I'm sure of that. If I were to take an educated guess I'd say the next time he fights again it'll be sometime in the Winter of next year which by then a better candidate than Guerrero might have emerged.

 

Right on, the few that made a thread of Guerrero winning were just trolling because they didn't say how or why