Anybody else think Pacquiao beating these guys at a catchweight will hurt him(Pacman)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by daz52, Jun 20, 2009.


  1. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the future im talking about. Dont get me wrong i love the Pacman but i just read that a Pacquiao/Cotto fight might not go ahead because Roach wont accept anything other then a 143 catchweight and Cotto just coudlnt do that with out killing his body.

    Anyone think when we look back, Manny will always be remembered as a great but if he keep forcing guys down in weight it will somewhat tarnish his record/legacy. De La Hoya so far is the only one but if Manny is to fight Cotto, Mosley or Mayweather he expects them all to move down. As i said i just dont think everyone will look at these victories as 'great' ones because history will show in Pacquiaos biggest fights the guy at the other end of the ring was not at his best thanks to a catch weight.

    Anybody else think he should just move on up fully to 147 and fight these guys at that weight?
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm disappointed in Roach for this one.
     
  3. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah Roach is pissing me off a bit with this... The way i look at it your either confident Manny can beat these guys or your not. If your not thats ok, just stop making up damn weight classes. BE a fully fledged WW or dont even bother. I mean myself personally i see Pacman beating Cotto at any damn weight, **** this 143, 145 talk its crazy.
     
  4. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    roach doesn't read opinion boards. he doesn't care if pac's victory would be tainted as long as pac wins. of course roach could honestly be just protecting his pupil. what's the use of a very great legacy when you barely can't speak right the rest of your life just because your handler failed to protect you from this much of a size difference.
     
  5. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The point im making and the question im asking is this:

    Boxing people look back at fighters careers and the critique them and judge them. Do you think it will hurt Mannys legacy or alter the way he is remembered because in his biggest fights (V De La Hoya, Cotto, Mosley) the other fighters were forced to kill themselves and make a weight that was no longer natural to them.
     
  6. stiga

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    144 for pacman(roach)...145 for cotto
     
  7. Scar

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    If his opponents agree then I don't see why/how it will hurt him. They're not forcing these guys, they accept and make it happen just like Pac accepted to move up two weight divisions for DLH and DLH accepted to move down.
     
  8. daz52

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    You say Roach may be protecting his pupil so he can speak right. Well im saying why even put him in there? He is already a great, he can just stay at 140 an dominate. Why become like a half LWW half WW and put him in there against dead men walking? Id rather see him beat guys at 140 liek Nate Campbell and Tim Bradley then beat half dead Miguel Cottos and Shane Mosleys.

    I understand they are the bigger fights but i honestly believe we wont remember these victories as great victories if the fighters he fights are constantly dead at the weight.
     
  9. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know they are not being forced and are agreeing, i think your missing my point. Im saying how will boxing fans like us and boxing historians look at these victories in 10 and 20 years time.

    As great, career defining wins or as good victories but the fighters are too depleted just making weight to be career making wins.
     
  10. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    They will be looked at as great victories the same way Hopkins/Pavlik and Pavlik's/Taylor II will look like and many other similar cases.
     
  11. DLSC

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    As long as nobody gets weight drained (like DLH), it's all good to me. Cotto/Pac. Mosely/Pac, Mayweather/Pac @ 145 sounds fair to me, IMHO.
     
  12. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If thats your opinion its fair enough and i respect it. I personally will get sick of seeing him beat half dead fighters eventually. Like he did it against Oscar and thats cool one time but i mean if he goes on to beat guys such as Cotto and Mosley and Mayweather all at 143 or 144 catch weights and if they all look like De La Hoya did (dead at the weight, **** on the night) i wont think of the victories as great.

    Ill be saying to myself thats 3 times now Manny Pacquiao (Roach) has taken a great fighter and beaten him when he was walking dead thanks to some made up weight class.




    Point being for me Manny can fight these guys (Cotto, Mosley, Mayweather) at 147. Win lose or draw he will get more respect then beating the half dead fighters at the new weight class named Mannyweight with a limit of 140-143!
     
  13. daz52

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    I agree as long as they dont look like DLH did then 145 is cool but i mean if your going to do 145, why not just freaking make it 147?
     
  14. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    He can fight these guys but don't you see how it will also be unfair for him?, he will be way smaller than them so either way catchweight or not an excuse about size/weight will be there for whoever wins.

    If DLH KO'd Pacquiao at 147 when they fought like he was "supposed" to and expected to people would have said Pac was too small anyway, if he wins DLH was drained.

    In boxing it's very hard to give a winner good enough credit and it's very easy to come up with any excuse for the loser.
     
  15. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree very much that in boxing there is always an excuse and no one even wants to give credit but if Manny were top whip Cotto at 147 which i believe he would, no one would be able to do **** except praise him becuase he beat him at his natural weight. Just like how he slaughtered Hatton at his best weight.