Anybody think Wlad will try to get to 26 defenses?

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rigth now he is at 18. that puts him third behind Larry Holmes (20) and Joe Louis (25).

    To clarify, I am NOT counting Wladdy's 5 WBO title defenses. The case could certainly be made that if we are retroactively considering the WBO title a full blown belt, and remembering guys like Morrison and Mercer as champs, then they should be counted. It simply think that with Lewis as champ in that timeframe, they don't count.

    Wlad is 39, and fights 2-3 times a year, usually two, and is slowing down just a bit, so that would realistically represent a 3-4 year commitment, making him 42-43 when finished.

    Wlad has said that he only wants five more fights, but, I can't believe that once he unifies all of the belts, he will not even consider it, since it will be so doable.

    Two of the three guys that would be real challenges, Parker and Joshua, will probably not be ready in that timeframe. Only Povetkin, who is a different fighter since their first fight, would be a real challenge. It wouldn't be easy, but it would not be particualrly hard. His pathway could look something like this:

    1. Fury (Happening in October and Wlad will certainly knock him out)
    2. Wilder (for the WBC belt. Wlad will easily knock out this fraud)
    3. Povetkin rematch (WBC #1 contender. Only dangerous fight, since Povetkin has been hitting iwth a lot more power).
    4. Glazkov (#1 contender of IBF, and Wlad won't break a sweat).

    After that, he would need to find 4 more. Maybe something like this:

    5. Chagaev (as WBA "regular" champ, I would think he is #1 contender. Wlad has already beaten him and will do so again easily).

    6. Teper (big buy who can hit, but pretty basic).

    7. Winner of Cunningham-Tarver rematch (really easy win, and semi-credible since they are both highly ranked).

    8. Spzilka ( Really a big crusier tha Wlad would easily bet).

    You get the point. It might be a Jennings rematch. Maybe Chisora earns another shot. Maybe de Mori becomes a mandatory. The point is, it will be too easy NOT to try.

    What do y'all think
     
  2. Jpreisser

    Jpreisser Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He could, but I don't think it is a serious concern for him, so I don't believe he will. If he was intending on breaking the record, he should have stepped on the gas pedal a little further back. Great run regardless of where it ends, though seeing him reach 26 would deafen some noise.
     
  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think you are correct that he doesn't care and that is kind of a shame.

    On the other hand, you are correct that no matter what happens, it was a hell of a run and he is going to be remembered as great.

    Just looking at boxrec. Though their system is admittedly flawed, it is an attempt to rate guys without subjectivity. Wlad currently stands at #9, dwarfing some of the guys who are often mentioned above him.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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  5. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    He will be stopped short of that, to Wilder.
     
  6. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would be surprised. Making title defenses is a laborious task just ask Huck. It takes something out of you each time and while Wlad is and always has been far better than Huck 8 more defenses is asking a lot he turns 40 in six months. Btw Holmes has only 19 defenses technically. Marvis Frazier was not ranked and therefore no belt was on the line on that fight.
     
  7. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If he is still champ after the next 5 fights then he'd be a fool to not try.

    That's the ticket to immortality right there.
     
  8. Selina

    Selina Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It´s just a number. He could fight without the titles and still make history.
     
  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I totally agre with this. Very real.

    Well..a technicality. Louis could be said to have two more defenses since in his comeback he beat Lee Savold, who was recognized as champ by the British boxing board.

    Very much along the lines of Wlad having 5 WBO defenses.

    So in reality, if you are going to consider such things, Wlad or Louis are already competing depending on what criterion one uses.

    Though really no one has to point out to me that Holmes sucked. This is a guy who OPENLY ducked both Page and Thomas, and lost to an LHW whiles ducking other heavies.

    This echoes my feelings.

    Wilder is garbage and might be killed.

    Agree and disagree. Wladdy is objectively a great regardless, but breaking Louis' record would stake a claim that no one could fully deny. He would be OBJECTIVELY a top five guy.
     
  10. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where did Wlad say he was only going to fight 5 more times? I just thought he had the TV contract that stipulated that. I remember several months back him saying that he wanted to fight for another 10 years (which I don't believe).

    I do agree that I can't see someone like Wlad really caring about breaking a record which is a travesty because it brings more attention to boxing (in a good way).

    I do think Parker and Joshua will be ready by 2018, but I think 1 of them will fight prior to that.

    I also disagree with you saying if Wlad did break the record that he would be Top 5. IMO, if he breaks Louis' record he will be #1. Between the 26 title defenses and him having the 5 WBO defenses and the amount of wins and quality of wins he should be ranked #1. It also helps him that he has fought on til such an old age being that consistent is really unheard of at HW.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Louis defence was of the Lineal title. At best, Wlad picked this up against Chagaev. I count from Povetkin.

    No danger he's cracking that record.
     
  12. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing publications say otherwise.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I don't care.
     
  14. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yes, definitely. If he's already fighting for 5 more fights, if he makes it through that and gets to 23 consecutive he'd be crazy not to. Especially since his harder fights are coming up now, since once he gets closer to 25, he can just start shedding belt and picking his opponents more carefully. I agree he should have tried to work an extra fight in per year, it makes it much more dangerous to try to break the record at borderline 42-43, but I think he's going that route and that he's got a very good chance at it. If he gets past Fury and Wilder, he'll have unified, and at that point why not start shedding belts? And, the contenders the OP listed are very respectable anyway in terms of resume but really, with the exception of Povetkin, aren't real threats in any way. At that point, he'd have shattered the overall record for successful defenses including WOB defenses, broken the consecutive defense mark, broken the time mark, and have a decent argument for GOAT. If he beats someone along the way who goes on to have an ATG legacy after Wlad retires, maybe an Anthony Joshua, he'll have further strengthened the argument (that would probably be what it takes for me to put him at #1)
     
  15. UnleashtheFURY

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    Fury, Wilder/Povetkin winner(so Povetkin II after the fraud is hopefully stripped for avoiding his mandatory) Glazkov, Takam etc. are all guys I would like to see Wlad in with before his finishes his career. I think he's got a good 4-5 fights left in him :good