Anyone a wee bit suspicious of Inoue?

Young Terror · May 9, 2024

bjl12 said: ↑

I dont think its double standards. Crawford hasnt fought the talent Inoue has (at 140 or 147) and hasnt landed a single arm punch KD/KO other than the Spence fight where Spence was reenacting zombie movies.

Both guys appear to be ATGs and both potentially could make even more noise before its all said and done...really pressing for RARE territory.

If someone believes Bud is juiced by all means post it and we can review it.
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What arm punches you dope?

Do you even know what that is? I don't think you do if you're accusing Inoue of knocking out guys with arm punches or maybe and after reading the crap you come up with maybe you saw a Wilder fight and for some crazy reason that only dopes like you understand you thought you were watching Inoue. I wouldn't put it past you to confuse those two. You're mentally ill.

bjl12 · May 9, 2024

Serge said: ↑

I'm not accusing Crawford of being on PEDs but if other fighters are going to be considered suspicious for carrying their power or it improving through 3 or more weights then the same rule has to apply to him. He has a KO 100% at his third weight and his power is improving the bigger the opponents get. What if he stops career 154 pounder Madrimov next 19lbs above his first weight?

Yes but he was that clean, sharp counter puncher at 135 and 140 too but he didn't have a KO 100% at either of those weights.

He's a big 147 pounder and he doesn't look at all undersized against his opponents up there. I reckon he weighed at worst the same as Spence and he's fighting guys at that weight roughly his size, some a little bigger, and some a little smaller, but most his size.

He's not going to be undersized at 154 against Madrimov either. He may well actually be heavier on the night

From 2020

“To be honest, I could easily make 147lbs. I walk around at roughly 160-164lbs, so it would not be a difficult cut for me. Some welterweights like Errol Spence are bigger than me, even. But I did not want to compete there, because my priority is winning world titles and I knew that it would be very hard to get a title shot in the division. The way boxing politics is, the best at the weight would have avoided me.''

154lbs is much better for me - it is a very open division, the titles change hands a lot but there are many good fighters who I can beat to build my legacy. I want the biggest fights, and I will get them in this division. When some of the welterweights like Spence and Garcia move up as well, they will be more likely to face me if I am champion.”

-- Israel Madrimov

Crawford had to be coming in at 147 at the weight Mardrimov walks or walked around at and Crawford walks around significantly or a lot more than what Madrimov does or did and obviously he will be coming in heavier than what he was at 147 and, as said, he's clearly more muscular and bigger now

Inoue isn't a small 122. He's coming in about 135 and these guys he's fighting are roughly his size or if they are bigger it'll be about 3-5lbs and maybe some 7lbs or so. He's just a natural puncher and he has great speed, accuracy, timing and technique.

Nery came in at least 139 for one of his fights and whilst I suspect he's the type to rehydrate 20lbs I couldn't actually see any size difference between him and Inoue in the ring. But some fighter's weights can be deceptive.

I know you're not a Floyd fanboy.

Usyk just has to beat Belly to become to regain the P4P throne. Now he is fighting giants who hold ridiculous physical advantages over him, has fought more legit punchers and KO artists than any current champ - he's fought a whole bunch of the hardest punchers in the entire sport - many much bigger than him, and he's doing it on the road. These giants like AJ, Dubois and obviously Belly are fast, especially for their size, and skilled too.

Belly isn't considered a massive puncher but he can crack when he wants to and the vast size and weight disparity between them will magnify his power.

Becoming undisputed at two weights where you're routinely fighting opponents who are way way bigger, heavier, longer or much longer than you and who hit much harder than you is obviously extremely difficult to do. He's navigating a minefield every single second of the fight where if you tread on a mine it's game over not just the loss of a limb.
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Usyk has definitely gone under the radar and most of it hasnt been his fault. His country is in literal war so he took some time off, injuries (him and opponents), and difficulty getting the right fights. Nonetheless if Usyk wins against Fury it definitely changes the whole perception of this generation of fighters. Two wins over AJ, Dubois, Bellew, Gassiev, Breidis, and even Michael Hunter who drew PEDvetkin. Keep in mind Usyk was almost always the smaller guy even at CW...

Its a legit 3 headed monster with Usyk, Bud, and Inoue. Theyre all the best at the same time.

bjl12 · May 9, 2024

Young Terror said: ↑

What arm punches you dope?

Do you even know what that is? I don't think you do if you're accusing Inoue of knocking out guys with arm punches or maybe and after reading the crap you come up with maybe you saw a Wilder fight and for some crazy reason that only dopes like you understand you thought you were watching Inoue. I wouldn't put it past you to confuse those two. You're mentally ill.
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The 1st KD against Nery in R2 did have some torque but it looked more like a Beterbiev KD where his feet were not planted. So it was a glorified arm punch. Crawford's KD on Spence also in R2 was similar in that regard but it seemed there was something wrong w Spence the entire night moreso than Crawford seemed especially strong

Was surprising to see Nery dropped by that in R2 is all. Thought I'd make a thread to see what other people saw/took away from it

Young Terror · May 9, 2024

bjl12 said: ↑

The 1st KD against Nery in R2 did have some torque but it looked more like a Beterbiev KD where his feet were not planted. So it was a glorified arm punch. Crawford's KD on Spence also in R2 was similar in that regard but it seemed there was something wrong w Spence the entire night moreso than Crawford seemed especially strong

Was surprising to see Nery dropped by that in R2 is all. Thought I'd make a thread to see what other people saw/took away from it
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You know what was wrong with Spence? He was fighting Bud Crawford that's what was wrong with him.

bandeedo · May 9, 2024

no. he has perfect technique in putting torque on all his shots. and he can deliver from odd angles, which makes them hard to anticipate. and with his speed and rhythm, hard to even see. his only lack of technique on his offence is that he sometimes leaves himself open when putting leverage on his shots. its instinctual movement as you try to get perfect balance on the shot youre throwing, but they need to break that habit and teach him where his free hand needs to be as he throws that shot. the guy is just a freak.

bjl12 · May 9, 2024

lufcrazy said: ↑

I think lots of fighters are ATG but I do not nuthug them.

I don't think Inoue has been that amazing that we have to suspect him of doing anything untoward compared to his peers.

For me that's too nuthugging. That you think he's that good that he must be cheating is praise he has not warranted.
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I dont get how anyone can suggest Inoue is not special at this point. He's only 31 years old and has arguably achieved more than any other boxer today. What separates him from Crawford is he's faced much better competition consistently. Yes, some of that is due to promotional issues but Inoue has single-handedly made the lower weights relevant. I dont remember the last time the media gave a damn about the lower weights.

If Inoue keeps winning and goes on to unify at 126 in the same dominating fashion (stoppages and such) there needs to be larger conversations about just how good he is. I'm talking better than Floyd or Manny good. I'm talking Top 10 ATG good. Again, this is only assuming he continues to clear out 122 AND 126 in the same way he always has. Its assuming a LOT but hes alrdy has done exactly that.

lufcrazy · May 9, 2024

bjl12 said: ↑

I dont get how anyone can suggest Inoue is not special at this point. He's only 31 years old and has arguably achieved more than any other boxer today. What separates him from Crawford is he's faced much better competition consistently. Yes, some of that is due to promotional issues but Inoue has single-handedly made the lower weights relevant. I dont remember the last time the media gave a damn about the lower weights.

If Inoue keeps winning and goes on to unify at 126 in the same dominating fashion (stoppages and such) there needs to be larger conversations about just how good he is. I'm talking better than Floyd or Manny good. I'm talking Top 10 ATG good. Again, this is only assuming he continues to clear out 122 AND 126 in the same way he always has. Its assuming a LOT but hes alrdy has done exactly that.
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But there's a huge difference between that and suggesting that he's so amazing he must be cheating.

bjl12 · May 9, 2024

Young Terror said: ↑

You know what was wrong with Spence? He was fighting Bud Crawford that's what was wrong with him.
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Amazing win by Crawford. Hard to disagree with that. With that being said it didnt seem like the same Spence. Nobody has ever hurt Spence w a jab before. That alone should raise eyebrows

bjl12 · May 9, 2024

lufcrazy said: ↑

But there's a huge difference between that and suggesting that he's so amazing he must be cheating.
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Did the 1st KD against Nery in R2 look normal to you? It seemed different to me. I have already said I dont think hes cheating but that KD seemed strange. Thats why I started this thread to see if anyone else had the same intrigue. Ive never seen Inoue do anything that seemed off before but that 1st (and arguably 2nd) KD just didn't fit somehow

lufcrazy · May 9, 2024

bjl12 said: ↑

Did the 1st KD against Nery in R2 look normal to you? It seemed different to me. I have already said I dont think hes cheating but that KD seemed strange. Thats why I started this thread to see if anyone else had the same intrigue. Ive never seen Inoue do anything that seemed off before but that 1st (and arguably 2nd) KD just didn't fit somehow
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The check hook? He adjusted his stance and used Nerys forward momentum against him.

Like I said, the guy is great, but not to the level where you had to doubt his sense of fair play.

Ronin Pham · May 16, 2024

look at his legs. also torque. just look at his legs vs. wilder and you'll know why. lower body lower body lower body...it's all about that! i've never seen a fighter with a short compact powerful punch like his. incredible.

NoChin · May 16, 2024

Nery has NoChin.

cuchulain · May 16, 2024

bjl12 said: ↑

Never seen Nery hurt like that and the first 2 KD came on glorified arm punches. I'm not saying Inoue is cheating, because I believe he isnt, but this was the only fight in his entire career that seemed odd to me.

Yes, he jas fantastic technique and torques his body incredibly. Even so, he seems to have that Beterbiev devastating arm punch power. With Beterbiev he's been in 1 division his whole career so its kinda understandable, but Inoue carrying all that power into his 4th division. Just a little suspicious.

And no this is not some Breadman/Fulton nuthugging. I cant stand Breadman - hes a fraud and a terrible trainer. I think Inoue is clean but his power was strangely effective in a way that never stood out to me versus Donaire or Tapales or Fulton or Butler or Moloney. His technique always paired well with the KDs/KOs/general power.

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Thoughts ?

I think you should make up your mind as to which of the two Inoue is....clean or cheating ?

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