Anyone else disappointed Bivol didn't get the stoppage?

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  1. Hi-Tek-Lomo

    Hi-Tek-Lomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought he would get it--especially with how many clean shots Pascal was taking.
     
  2. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Kind of actually. I know Bivol's knockouts generally come from precision than just brute force but Pascal is old now and has taken a lot of punishment over the years. Bivol is still a top talent though. This fight has given me even more hope for Bivol, Gvozdyk, and even Kovalev beating him though. I don't think Jack is at that point yet but it's still a fight I'd love to see.
     
  3. Savagekat

    Savagekat TEAM USYK. I AM VERY FEEL! Full Member

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    I think it's somewhat disappointing that Bivol didn't score the stoppage given the hype surrounding his career, but he shouldn't be criticized too harshly for it. It was clear that Pascal was determined not to be knocked out and fought to maximize his chances of catching Bivol with something big down the stretch, which he ultimately could not do. Also, although Pascal is past his best and probably below world level, he is a cagey, tricky fighter with an awkward style and a lot of heart.

    So let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. It was an overall solid performance from Bivol, even if it did leave us with some questions regarding how he'll do against the very best at LHW.
     
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  4. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    I would have preferred he get the KO, but he boxed very well and the fight was entertaining.

    But we should not criticize Bivol for not stopping the very durable Pascal. Let's not forget Mayweather went the distance with so many of his opponents, even old and faded ones like Mosley.
     
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  5. Hi-Tek-Lomo

    Hi-Tek-Lomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What does Mayweather have to do with any of this? Completely irrelevant.
     
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  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mosley was coming off a fantastic win over a Marg who had took Cotto's 0. Pascal came off beating some ex-hockey player who wasn't even in the NHL. Pascal was shot to bits. Don't get me wrong though Pascal has ****ing heart, chin, and is a warrior, but the comparison is bad.
     
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  7. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    My point is, why do fighters from Eastern Europe and Central Asia always need to get the KO or receive negativity and criticism (especially from Max Kellerman)?

    Why are they held to a higher standard than American boxers like Mayweather and Crawford? You never hear people ask "were you disappointed Crawford didn't get the KO?" or "were you disappointed Mayweather didn't get the KO?

    Kellerman never complained about Andre Ward going the distance with Brand and Barrera, but he disparages every East European boxer who goes the distance, even against durable boxers who were never stopped before.
     
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  8. Hi-Tek-Lomo

    Hi-Tek-Lomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have no idea what you're talking about
     
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  9. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    wah wah wah, shut your victim ass up. Your comparison was awful. If a prime Mayweather or Crawford had trouble stopping a shot to bits 36 year old Pascal, then your comparison would be valid.
     
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  10. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    Not to mention that Mayweather started his career at super featherweight and generally fought to minimize damage to his brittle hands
     
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  11. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Mayweather couldn't stop a shot to bits Guerrero, much smaller age 39 JMM, shot to bits Berto, age 40 Mosley, faded Cotto (who he avoided in Cotto's prime), faded Pacquiao, or old Oscar De La Hoya. But people praised him and never questioned him for not getting the KO.

    If Crawford fails to stop Collazo, who is older and far more shot than Pascal, no one will say anything about it.

    Some boxers are held to higher standards than others.
     
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  12. The Akbar One

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    Just shows you where his power is at. He landed a fair amount of hard shots.
     
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  13. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Always an excuse for Mayweather's shortcomings in the ring.

    When Ortiz went to touch gloves, Mayweather didn't seem worried about his "brittle hands" when he sucker punched him.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Not really I kind of expected Pascal to take him late or last the distance because he's ridiculously tough and he has a cast-iron chin, has only ever been dropped once in his career, has only been stopped twice and in both instances he finished on his feet, the first of which when the ref waved it off, and the second on a corner retirement when his trainer pulled him out, and the only person to ever drop or stop him is Kovalev who is a savage puncher whereas Bivol just doesn't possess that kind of power. And as I said earlier, Bivol is more a natural SMW than LHW and he was giving away a lot of weight to Pascal (7lbs).


     
  15. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Shot to bits Guerrero? Are you actually slow in the head? Guerrero was coming off a decisive win against Berto. In no way was he shot. Also Mayweather was 35+ by that time. All of those you guys mentioned were levels above Pascal.
    If Crawford fails to stop Collazo, I will criticize it dummy. Stop playing vicitm.
     
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