Anyone else exited to see Ward take a beating against Kovalev?

Kessler and Froch yes. Dawson was drained to a zombie against Ward that win is hardly meaningful. Abraham was best at middleweight even at that weight he was good but not great.

 

should be fun. has ward called kovalev a racist like dumb dumb boy racist pascal did?

 

I'll concede my the point on Dawson. Pascal was a better win than Dawson. Abraham was the one to beat in the Super Six tournament so, I say that is a weak criticism of the Ward win. Still a better win than Pascal.

 

atsch What facts are you spewing out exactly? Abraham was a bloated up middleweight testing the waters at supper middle, not exactly a good opponent. Dawson was a drained zombie who also got exposed after he fought Ward, Kessler and Froch are two heavy handed sluggers, not exactly good opponents now are they? They may be tough, but Ward enjoys outboxing sluggers with heavy hands, that is all Kessler and Froch are, borderline brawlers with some technical abilities, you cannot honestly use these two as arguments that Wards opponents are better.

Also if you honestly think Kovalev loses or fails to knock out Froch or Kessler, then you are really riding Wards testicles pretty hard :-( Kovalev is 50 times the boxer, and has 5 times the knock out power of either one of these guys, and he also has a size advantage. Kovalev actually knows how to box like an elite, someone like Froch relies on toughness, chin durability and heavy hands, something that may not always help you if you are facing technical fighters like Kovalev, Golovkin or Ward.

Regardless I hope the fight happens, so reality smacks you upside the head. :thumbsup

 

Power doesnt mean much if you cant land and Ward knows how to neutralize power. I really hope this fight happens this year. Its a 50/50 fight. I love Ward but Kovalev is a nightmare! Wouldnt be surprised if Ward schooled him for 12 or Kova turned out the lights.

 

Why would you take pleasure in that much punishment? Sounds like hater talk.

It's 50/50 to me, but Kovalev has proven that not only does he have excellent power in both hands, he can also box, and be patient. I think Ward has a longer reach which could trouble Kov, but Ward has been hit more lately and by fairly low talent fighters. Bhop is a crafty fighter (as is Ward) but Bhop didn't fight that way for a lot of that fight against Sergey so maybe Ward smothers him?

I'm taking Kovalev because Ward's resume over the last few years is AWFUL and that may play a part. You don't go from Brandon Rios to Floyd Mayweather and dominate.

 

Pimp C is right. And while it is "disgusting" for his stereotype to even have validity...it is right on point. Your quasi liberalist viewpoint shows you have never had to understand the deeply entrenched and "disgusting" politics of race in the US...from a black man's perspective. And if you are a black man by some remote chance, you will eventually have to wake up to it.

Ward is "half white" when he wins a gold medal in the Olympics. But, he is BLACK during a routine traffic stop and could be killed instantly by some frightened idiot cop (who shouldn't be a cop), without even being read his rights. Ward's "quarter white" children could be shot in the park for playing with a toy gun...by some race soldier (posing as a cop) who sees an adult BLACK male with a dangerous weapon, when they are looking at a child at play.

Do you know what "half white" people are called behind the closed doors of racist whites (and others) and phony liberals? Ni**ers.


Pimp C is also right about this fight...it's a tough call.

Ward could outbox Kovalev, while Kovalev could hurt Ward early and have him in survival mode the rest of the fight. Really exciting fight, which I hope gets made ASAP.


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Of all the possible fights in the near future, this is probably the hardest fight to predict for me.

 

Fun rant, but you're forgetting the most important part: Ward's got money.

The color that differentiates justice in this country isn't black or white, it's green. Millionaires get better justice than the rest of us schlubs. I know that's tough to relate to on this forum, where everyone is a millionaire, benches 500, runs a 10 second 100m, dates supermodels, and has a 10 inch dong.

That's the bottom line. I'll guarantee you a rich guy, whatever color you want to give him, gets more leverage in the legal system than any poor one. Period.

So let's not pretend a rich, mixed fighter like Andre gets the same justice a poor brother from Chiraq does. Or a poor honky from a rust belt meth town. That's insulting everybody with half a brain.

There's injustice in our justice system, but you're twisting reality by leaving out the most important variable: the cash. Ward can buy justice we can't, and it's not because he's part white.

 

I'm not ranting...nor am I forgetting anything. Ward is not wealthy (rich probably). And he is not a high profile celebrity (like Mayweather for ex.). Boxing is still a fringe sport...don't forget that. A lot of people don't recognize the fighters. Just look at the video online where they stopped Adrien Broner for supposedly driving drunk. Those cops did not recognize him and were initially aggressive in their tone. I'm not saying an injustice was done here...just trying to illustrate my point about pro fighters not really being known to many.

Ward can be anywhere in this country and run into "the law", be harrassed for DWB (Driving While Black) and even have his life taken, by some race soldier (posing as a cop), if things escalate. If he were ever visiting family in Chiraq, who lived in the projects, and the police did a sweep, they would haul Ward's a$$ in with all the other "poor brothers", if he was outside chillin on the benches. His money would get him out of the situation sooner. But, he would initially be "inconvenienced." Countless black celebrities and atheletes over the years have been mistreated by police...because they are or are considered black (despite their actual genetic makeup) by US racial classification.

Let's not attempt to overintellectualize something that is fairly simple to understand. If you live this...it is easy to understand.

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People are severely under rating Ward.

 

Prepare to be disappointed.

 

If you don't even want to admit Ward has legal privilege in this country over the typical poor white kid from rust belt meth towns, there's no point continuing this. The concept that Ward may actually have privilege and is not a victim is simply too radical a difference to reconcile.

That's no different than his boxing career, where he's commonly played as the victim despite numerous privileges he's had that were not accessible to other fighters who aren't Andre Ward.

Cheers. :good

 

Not sure if you read my reply. Yes...it was a mini novel. But, in it, I did not deny any legal privilege he has or could attain. He would have to of course get to the point where he could use his money, lawyers, etc. to help him in a legal matter. All situations do not involve white collar business people negotiating contracts in a board room.

Money never hurts. But, it does not make the problems of racial injustice go away. That is interwoven into US culture and society, the judicial system etc. Ward is unrecognizable in a white tee shirt, jeans and Jordans, from any "poor brother" on the street. And he could potentially be treated with the same contempt, by law enforcement, etc. He IS a victim of that same racial injustice as the rest of us...rich or not. Again....you would have to live it to understand.

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