Anyone else feel the typical Mike Tyson 'flaw' is over-exaggerated?

I think we saw a peak version of Tyson. I don't think that style was going to get any better with age.

 

ye i dont think he would have got to holy or douglas if having someone throw back was his kryptonite, i think youre right, its a case of expecting to knock someone out but having them not only still standing but throwing back with conviction that just physically broke him

 

Well I look at it like this........You fight in accordance to how that particular ref is officiating the fight. Its like Khan complaining that if he'd had a different referee he wouldn't of had points taken. It doesn't matter what another referee would of done cause he's not in-charge of that particular fight. hypothetically speaking though, another ref may have counted Douglas out, but as they establish in a post fight preview show with Larry Merchant, Octavia Moran did nothing wrong, as the refs decision is final irrespective of the time keepers count.

 

I think I remember Tyson himself saying somewhere hes glad not a lot of his fights lasted long because he didnt think hed be able to keep up that pace. I think if you can survive the first 6-8 rounds with Mike then you had a good chance of beating him, but even then you have to be able to keep up the pressure.

Freddie Roach said recently Tua would have outlasted Tyson which is debatable but Ive often had the argument with my friend who is involved in a lot of MMA who would win Ali or Tyson? He seems to think that Tyson was a bigger version of Frazier and had a better left hook so by default he would murder Ali whilst I thought Ali had one of the best chins in history and eventually would have worn Tyson out and just danced around him all night keeping him at bay with the jab and leaning back to avoid a charge.

Truthfully no one can make an accurate prediction on fantasy fights unless of course they actually happen

 

Ali would have too much on the inside for Mike. I don't mean inside fighting, i mean too much character.

The Ali of the late 60's would tear Tyson to pieces. Not the fat, slower Ali of the 70’s. That Ali would still beat Tyson but it would be tough.

Where Tyson finds a way to come up small under pressure Ali relishes it. Ali is not as intimidating as Tyson but he has much more on the inside. Same as Holyfield. Ali CANNOT be intimidated. Also stylistically, Ali is very physically strong. He can tie up anybody when he wants to. He would tie Tyson up and quell those bullrushes.

No matter what part of Tyson’s career you dissect, he is not the same fighter after 4 rounds. Look at his younger years, against James Tillis, Jesse Ferguson, Bonecrusher Smith and Tony Tucker. Tyson’s feet always squared up later in fights and he always started loading up with one shot.

Tyson was also very easy to tie up, despite his punching power. He had a major flaw. He didn’t work his way out inside after being tied up. He allowed the referee to break him up, then he reset and went back to his programmed bob and weave. Also Frazier was a better inside fighter than Mike. Tyson didn't have staying power. That's why Ali would beat him.

 

The general public dont think that, the majority think he was unstoppable...

 

I do think its flawed, Mike Tyson in all of his defeats fought until the complete end. Weather that be searching for his gum shield on the canvas vs Buster Douglas or even against Lennox Lewis......he never really took a backwards step in share desperation.

Mike Tyson is not Bernard Hopkins, when a fight is not going his way. He never EVER play acted, or tried to get out of the fight. The ear bite against Evander Holyfield WAS not away out of the fight, it was just Mike Tyson simply loosing his ****ing mind.

Mike Tyson for me is stronger mentally that Bernard Hopkins. Who some people on here seem to give way to much credit, when it comes to anything.........psychological.

Some people may laugh at me here, but Bernard Hopkins biggest strength IS his mind.

BUT..? its also his biggest BIGGEST weakness.

He's a ***** at heart.

 

Mike Tyson would destroy Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson would be a really tough fight for Muhammad Ali. Your talking about a fighter with George Foreman type power, he was faster than Joe Frazier! And also had a by far better defence than Joe Frazier.

And your trying to tell me that Muhammad Ali..? will handle Mike Tyson easy.

Shut the **** man, and ****ing wake up.

Joe Fraizer had two puches..? The Left Hook, and afew body shots. Thats it.? He would walk forward bobbing and weaving, throwing the left hook, and body shots..........."He was relentless with it..? so fair play"

Mike Tyson was like a ****ing F-22 raptor fighter jet, plus..? It took a direct hit from a nuclear war head to ****ing knock this guy out. It took allot of punishment to stop Mike Tyson inside of the ring.....

Boby Shots!

Straight Right Hands.

Left Hooks.

Uppercuts.

Overhand Rights....

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Show me the diversity in Joe Fraziers knock outs..? You won't, because he does not have that kind of diversity

 

Watch the fight, Trever is pushing Mike back....so this synopsis of 'bullying' Tyson and he grows meek is fruitless and devoid of rational factual evidence seen on tape and in person.

What he did in his short reign was devastate an entire 80s era of heavyweights many that gave the great L. Holmes trouble.


Somone said Holyfield had Tyson number, he had that version of Tyson, the peak under the guile of Rooney would for me be vastly different, the approach Tyson took under Catskill boys was different to his badboy King influence.


Hand on heart Tyson, Ali and Lewis were the best head to head fighters ive ever seen, read about etc etc.

 

Then you would have to put Duran, Vitali and many more down as quitters.


His will to win wasnt as good as Holy, Marciano, Ali, and Frazier...if thats what you mean.

 

Again 'tear him to pieces' when did Ali tear a guy like Tyson to pieces...


Ali had to UD Chuvalo who had the closest physique wise to Tyson, and George has nothing on Tyson not even chin.


I can see the argument for Ali wining on points.

 

Ali gets huge revisionist stories-

Fights he lost
J. Frazier
K. Norton
L. Spinks
L. Holmes
T. Berbick


Fights that could have gone to the other man

D. Jones


Fights he lost but got the nod-

J. Young
K. Norton 3rd fight


We saw him on the floor against Banks, Cooper, Frazier and Wepner.


Ali was not an invincible monster who destroys anyone, he lost and got lucky on many nights, but that is boxing and he was still a great fighter....he took on every significant fighter of his era, has the best resume of any heavyweight...and is one of the greats alongside Louis, Jeffries, Johnson, Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield etc

 

Yeah, thats probably close to what I mean. He took his lumps but there was a point where he resigned himself to carrying on but losing and that point came before a lot of the great fighters would have accepted that situation IMHO.

 

The top half of that post is awful mate. Ali had Parkinsons for 2, probably 3 of those fights you've listed and was coming off a 3 year lay off before the Frazier fight.

No, he's not invincible but not because he lost to Spinks, Holmes and Berbick or got a flash KD (a slip TBH) against Chuck Wepner on the way to a landslide points win.