Anyone else not quite sold on Danny Jacobs?

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  1. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brother would make that already damned good straight right of his absolutely lethal, and I also think Jacobs has the mind to absorb the mental game Nazim would be schooling him in also.

    I can't wait to see what Nazim does with USS. :admin
     
    BlueApollo, Jun 29, 2009
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  2. ripper13

    ripper13 Active Member Full Member

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    isn't jacobs fight at SMW??
     
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  3. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No he's still at MW. He SHOULD have at SMW but I guess this is the usual thing. Steward said that you usually try to get your fighters at at least one weight below where they should be just so they have a size advantage.
     
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  4. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A few nuggets from Dougie's maibag, and then I'll let this one die.

    "I don’t think you can really compare Jacobs, Ward, or Ortiz to Juan Diaz, who won his first world title at age 20 and unified three belts before he was Ward’s age. Diaz was knocked out by an arguably great first-ballot-hall of famer. Yes, Diaz reacted negatively to the cut he sustained but most world-class lightweights would not have been able to take advantage of that situation in the manner that Marquez did.

    As for comparing Ortiz’s character to Jacobs’, I think it’s a tad premature. We haven’t seen Jacobs in the ring with a killer like Maidana.

    I’m not saying that Jacobs won’t handle his biz whenever he does step up to that level, because I think the Brooklynite possesses immense talent and I agree that he’s got a good head on his shoulders. He definitely seems more mature than Ortiz. However, against the level of fighters that Jacobs has fought so far in his career, Ortiz looked like ‘The Truth’. He obliterated those guys.

    Jacobs is 17-0, and he looks very good. So did Ortiz after 17 bouts, and he faced three undefeated prospects (Nestor Rosas, Freddie Barrera, and Marvin Cordova Jr.) in that time. Jacobs has yet to face an undefeated fighter.

    Both prospects are 22 years old (Ortiz is one month older), but Ortiz has faced one former titleholder (Carlos Maussa) and two former title challengers (Mike Arnaoutis and Maidana). Jacobs has yet to face this kind of opposition. I realize that Ortiz turned pro more than three years earlier than Jacobs, so in the next year or two maybe we’ll see him face a fellow prospect like Andy Lee or Matt Korobov, or a former title challenger like Marco Antonio Rubio, or a former titleholder like Keith Holmes. How he performs in those fights will allow us to make a more accurate comparison with Ortiz...

    Jacobs hasn’t fought a true puncher yet. We’ll see what happens whenever he does. I don’t know if you saw his fight with Mike Walker this past May, but the Chicagoan is no world beater, and certainly doesn’t have Maidana’s credentials or power, and Jacobs had a look on his face in the late rounds of that eight rounder like he didn’t want to be there. Don’t let the official scores of that fight fool you. It could have easily been a draw. Check that fight out and keep it in mind before you assume that Jacobs has all the “intangibles” needed to be a star."
     
    BlueApollo, Jun 30, 2009
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  5. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well Juan Diaz is a completely different animal than most. Let's not forget Juan Diaz lost his composure on two different instances. When Juan Diaz gets cut, He doesn't respond well to it (most people don't).

    Danny Jacobs responded to his first pro cut (in a bad spot) better than Juan Diaz did.

    Although yes, Diaz is 1000x better than Danny is right now.

    Not necessarily. I mean we all remember Emmanuel Clottey nearly beating him. I'd equate Emmanuel Clottey and Mike Walker on the same level.

    That said, Ortiz certainly looked beastly against the kind of guys Jacobs took on.

    Well let's dig a little deeper on this. Nestor Rosas was 10-0 when he took on Ortiz, his best opponent prior to Ortiz was Luis Alonzo (5-12). That was Ortiz 12th fight. In Jacobs' 12th fight he took on 11-2 Jimmy Campbell.

    Freddie Barrera was 10-0 as well when he took on Victor Ortiz. His best opponent was 12-19-3 Gustavo Tapia. In Jacobs 14th fight, He took on Jose Luis Cruz a guy who was 12-15. You can easily give the edge to Ortiz.

    As per Martin Cordova Jr, Ortiz didn't beat Cordova (at least that's what this **** says). Cordova Jr was 12-0 and his best opponent by that point would be 35-112!-3 Lee Cargle. So while Cardova WAS undefeatted, he's not as good or proven as Jacobs' 17th fight George Walton.

    Their resumes at 17 fights are A LOT closer than this righter makes it out to be.

    The conversation should've ended at the bolded part. You can't compare Ortiz to Jacobs because one has been around longer regardless of age. Considering that Jacobs is blazing a quicker trail that Ortiz has says a lot as well.


    ....Yet I'm supposed to take this **** seriously?
     
    Arriba, Jun 30, 2009
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  6. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl

    Dougie does have a well known, liberal West Coast bias.
     
    BlueApollo, Jun 30, 2009
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  7. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wait Dougie is Doug Fischer?

    That explains it.
     
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  8. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think he should fight Sturm next yr, very winnable for Jacobs IMO.
     
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  9. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm also not quite sold on Jacobs yet. He seems to be missing something I can't put my finger on. There is a lot of skill and athleticism there but there is some x factor I'm not sure he has. Not saying he won't be a pfp guy in the future but for now I don't know.

    I think he has starting stepping up his competition lately. His last 3 fights have been against veterans with 20 or more wins so he is moving in the right direction. But sometime in the next 2-4 fights he needs to face a top 20 type guy to give us a better gauge of where he is at. I've seen names like McKart, Ayala, and Ornelas thrown around. Those would be good tests for Jacobs once he hits the 20 win mark.
     
    BOGART, Jun 30, 2009
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  10. 5Burowz

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    The guy hasn't even been a pro for two years. Give him a break.
     
    5Burowz, Jul 1, 2009
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  11. Midnight Ramble

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    NIce avatar :good:tong
     
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  12. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    You are mistaken. Jacobs signed before the Olympics, after he came in second place at the Olympic trials. Korobov, obviously, fought in the Olympics.

    He is with GBP though, signed with GBP straight out of the amateurs.

    And Andrade did beat Jacobs in the Olympic Trials (although I want to say that Jacobs had beaten him previously). I like Jacobs' set of tools as a pro better though. Shawn Porter (3rd place) ended up being the alternate because Jacobs had already gone pro.

    One more tidbit is that he was only KDed once as an amateur, by Shawn Porter. The US trials in that weight class was stacked - Andrade, Jacobs, Porter, Guerrero....

    Anyway, I think Jacobs is the truth. Probably my #1 prospect right now.
     
    Brickhaus, Jul 8, 2009
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