Anyone else not that impressed with Shane mc's corner work on Saturday??

Heres what Shane has to say:

[url]http://www.irish-boxing.com/shane-mcguigan-brushes-off-corner-criticsm/[/url]

 

And that worked out well......lmao!

 

Can't believe he told Frampton he lost the 8th, was it the 8th when Frampton did awesome but Shane said he lost the round? He looked really deflated after that

 

Exactly !

 

Maybe you should ask both coaches fighters if they've let them down, the answer will be a resounding NO

 

Even the great trainers can have off nights, I still remember when Dennis Andries defended the light heavyweight title against Jeff harding. Andries was comfortably in front on points come the last round. In the corner Manny Steward told him he needed a KO to win and he lost the fight by tko, it happens.

 

Frampton and Barry say they lost but Shane had it a draw.

 

Its called denial, but could be called arrogance.

Would still like to know where he's proved himself as a great trainer ?

Have Frampton, Groves or Haye improved in any way since joining him ?

 

Can't blame someone else all the time.

Lsc got his tactics right and boxed supremely. Made Frampton very frustrated.

From what I did hear Shane was telling him not to load up and just touch, I'm assuming to get some rhythm back. He never managed to do it and tried himself to use his physicality to over come lsc , lax too good for that.

 

Tbf there wasnt really a strategy that would be completely succesful for frampton against saturday nites version of santa cruz. Santa cruz was just a bit too long and big for frampton. Add to that his work rates tremendous and hes a very durable guy. Never seen the first fight but think santa cruz might have worked frampton out a bit by the end. Framptons best style is to box getting in and out using his footwork...but the problem was he couldnt get in or out in time giving away 7 inches of reach against santa cruz He was taking too many shots trying to box him.

And trying to stick it on him...was playing into santa cruz,s hands. The best strategy or the way to beat santa cruz will be to pot shot him. But again giving away so many advantages it would have been hard for frampton to do anyway.



Frampton did try both...none of them were effective enough to get the win. Coaches can help...make a big difference but sometimes when their fighting the same level...you cant just take anyone and just get the win down to your coaching/game plan/corner work. Think the bottom line is although frampton won the first fight santa cruz was always gonna be a tough style for frampton with giving away 7 inches in reach/height and looked like weight on saturday nite. I can see how they fancied the fight because at the same time cruz,s style alone was made for frampton...but not with giving away the advantages he was giving away. Think they underestimated how much the reach/height advantage would count imo.

Agree that shayne,s motivational work was poor. I think he realised it wasnt gonna be their nite. Knew santa cruz had the answers to frampton. Then just resigned himself to trying to steal the round/s using his feet. Probably their best shot to sneak a win. Frampton was coming off worse when he went in trying to stick it on him. But fully agree the motivational was lacking.

Same with joe in his defence. Framptons just a better fighter than quigg. If quigg went out there all guns blazing...he would have probably been took apart. Frampton a bit too quick for him. So tried to slow the fight down to nick the rounds reserving energy to go for a late flourish. When your fighters not as good as the other man...its not terrible tactics. Only is when you ve got the better fighter.

 

Groves has clearly improved since Paddy Fitz. The performance for the win over Martin Murray was superb. He boxed so well, even though Murray is small at the weight and past his best. The Gutknecht performance was also on point.

McGuigan led Frampton to back to back wins over Quigg and LSC which in 2016 were arguably the best consecutive wins in boxing outright for that year.

Haye's not really at the stage where he can improve. I'm sure Shane's job there is just to keep him sharp and in the best condition possible.

 

Of course they would say 'NO'. They are a bit like you - their livelihood is in boxing. You 'cant' criticise fellow trainers either. You wont admit when they get it wrong cos you know you might need them tomorrow, right? I understand.

 

very good post...

 

not at all if a fighter thinks his coach isn't doing the correct job they have the option to leave, unlike managers and promoters a coach has no safety net ie contract with the boxer yet were the one who spends day in day out with them? Work that one out.

 

Could be more difficult if his dad is your manager and his brothers are your promoter.