Anyone else think Ali's knockout of Foreman was an early stoppage?

klompton makes a lot of good points and l like the fact he verifies his claims with documentation.

 

I like it.

On a similar note,do you think that 'The Nutcracker Suite' would be good accompaniment for Duran/Buchanan when Ken cops it in the cojones?

 

That's right. George's head turned 'Exorcist' style.

 

Definitely. Perfect music for when Duranimal seriously tenderised poor Ken’s McNuggets.

 

In slow motion.

 

No it wasn't. Foreman himself admitted that he didn't have anything left.

 

Foreman was counted OUT plain and simple. George gloves were still on the canvas when the ref reached TEN and he then waves his arms in the classic YOUR OUT gesture.

The referee DID NOT stop the fight.

Foreman made the accusation that he got a quick count. When the bout was broadcast on Wide World or Sports they addressed this claim by timing the count twice. The count was timed twice as being ten seconds.

Further if you look at Foreman or Ali’s record where they distinguish between kos and tkos the bout is listed as a KO.

 

I don’t think so. It’s a count of 10 at the refs leisure it can be 15 or 9.Unreasonable and punishable it could be 30 Lol. If Foreman had gotten up it also wouldn’t have been any good for him, it was a one sided bout and the ref had a better view of that then anybody which may have motivated the quicker count.

 

No. It’s 10 seconds from when George hits the canvas to when the ref waves it out. It’s a 10 count as opposed to 10 seconds. Obviously you don’t want a ref to count too fast or too slow, but it seemed to be normal speed anyway. The commentator sounded a bit behind on the count.

 

It’s BOTH a ten count and ten second count. The ref counted Foreman OUT. That’s the ten count.

THEN Foreman claimed he got a fast count leading to Wide World of Sports addressing that claim by timing the count TWICE. The count was timed as being ten seconds.

 

Without addressing the specific details of this particular fight, I wouldn’t call the “10” count a rigid rule in boxing.

It’s a discretionary empowerment bestowed upon a referee - and beyond the count, there is also the possible additional time it takes a ref to wave the action back on.

Therein lies the problem. Thus we can have a sheer 10 second count applied to Forman while Tyson Fury, vs Wilder, was accommodated 23 seconds from the time he hit the deck until when the fight was waved back on.

Since that protraction was lasted pointed out, Fury copped another 23 second respite after he was KD’d by Ngannou.

Everything else is timed to actual seconds (or meant to be, = rounds, rest periods, etc.) and timekeepers themselves are using seconds from which the ref can pick up their own, self sourced meter.

With a rigid allotment of time for the toll - it could be 12,13 or even 14 seconds, if that’s the average duration, a ref can still make his due checks. Also, a ref should be mic’d up so everyone can hear the toll.

If the ref feels he needs more time to assess than is allotted, then that is an answer in itself - wave the fight off. By doing more checks, the ref is literally allowing bonus time for a fighter to recover.

 

10 seconds is whenever the ref says its 10 seconds. As long as the timing between each count is within reason (i.e. he doesn't wait a whole 5 seconds between each count), it should be fine.

 

A lot of fighters wouldn't have hit Joe in
the head when his back was turned like George did. I have probably watched hundreds and hundreds of bouts and never seen anything quite like that.