anyone else think foreman beat the count?

Why would ali duck him ??Ali is probably the first person that comes to my mind for fighting anybody.Whatever you think of ali, you cant say he ducked anyone...

 

You are talking about 10 seconds, but fair or not, the rules state that you have to get up before the referee reaches the count of 10. Yes, this means that some fighters have to get up in 8 seconds while Holyfield was given 15 seconds against Bowe, but hey that's boxing.

 

Excellent !

 

Foreman didn't beat the count, I'm assuming you're going by the commentator counting nine when Foreman gets up however, if you look closely his count is not in time with the ref who reached ten.

 

yes sir i read you loud and clear ...i've seen this a few times

 

nut:nut

 

Mute point...Foreman was gasless

 

Foreman clearly beat the count. He was finished, though. You really think he would've lasted?

 

The assertion that Ali dropped George with the hardest punch of his career was made in his 1975 autobigraphy. (Most agree that his best hook was on Bonavena.) He staggered Foreman with a combination just 25 seconds into round four, and had him in serious trouble as round five drew to a close. JT, are you suggesting that George was more fatigued in rounds four and five against Ali than he was in round 12 with Young?

Through rounds six, seven, and most of round eight, Ali just toyed with and baited Foreman into completely expending himself. It was a considerable act of sportsmanship for Muhammad to not help George propel himself completely out of the ring when he missed that wild haymaker hook 25 seconds into round eight. Just a slight shove down with his left on the back of Foreman's head would have sent him somersaulting over that loose top rope, and it would have looked like George's own momentum alone had been the culprit. We know Foreman would have taken more than a ten count to regain his feet in the ring from a fall like that, don't we? (George could well have landed on his head. Then it might have been "Ali, boma ye" literally. 220 exhausted pounds landing on top of a human head from THAT height? Have you ever watched a heavyweight crash on his head or neck like that? A truly sickening sight.)

Foreman has rated Ali as the fifth hardest puncher he ever faced. He's also shared the ring with Lyle, Frazier, Cooney, Holyfield, Moorer, Cooper, Morrison, and Norton. If Muhammad did not take down George with his hardest shot, then what do you consider to have been his hardest punches?

And thank you for taking the time to read through it and offer the feedback. Over most of his career Muhammad continually said, "I'm not a hard puncher." I've often wondered if he truly believed this, or was purposely selling a bill of goods. He hurt Leon Spinks with a hook to the ribcage in their rematch, and whacked Bugner well to the breadbasket a few times. Certainly his hands couldn't take the stress of repeated hard impacts, but when he aimed for the kill he was deadly.

 

Right you are. Most ten counts I've seen administered on youtube do seem to take longer than ten seconds, but of course this is mere anecdotal observation on my part.

After Foreman hit the deck, and Clayton pointed Ali to a neutral corner, he appeared to look over at ringside to pick up the count. Bob Sheridan recited it from his broadcast position starting at two, but I think he may have been one count behind Clayton in the explosive tumult of the moment, and that the referee actually began his count at three.

I'd like to see a compelling argument from somebody that George could have somehow come back if he'd managed to beat the count. Everybody seems to agree that Foreman had no chance of recovering from that knockdown, a remarkable conclusion to make for somebody with his youth and reputed firepower. (Shavers needed just one ninth round right hand to face plant Tillis. He recovered to secure the decision, but I never counted Earnie out until one of his fights had actually ended.)

 

Ali was known for dramatisation tho, reknowned for it in fact, and i am careful when taking a fighter at his word on such things. Ali is a little square and also not absolutely 100% planted IMO. Lets be honest, Foreman gets up near on the stroke of 10 and is in quite decent shape.

Point taken, but Foreman had let fly a huge amount of full power blows vs Ali in extreme conditions where as he was actually trying to conserve energy vs Young. IMO neither KD was close to departing him from his faculties.

You've got me on my first description tho, my choice of "far" was extreme to say the least atsch

Agreed, but he took a few incredibly powerful punches early in round 8 with seemingly little to no effect :yikes

He could well and should well have been disqualified tho in thaqt scenario IMO. Ali knew the fight was his and didn't need to induce such a variable IMO.

Totally agree Ali is an underrated puncher - huge fan here. As for his hardest punch - how on earth could anyone know. It may have been landed on an iron chinned journeyman who showed little to no effect for all we know.

Great points, Ali could well have been selling your bill of goods. Most of us fully realise that when the man sat down he had quite decent power. He easily makes the Top 10 P4P ever list for me.

 

I thought he got up at 9. If I was the ref I wouldn't let it go on after the knockdown though. Foreman clearly had nothing left.

 

I agree. While I agree that the count looked a little quick and that Foreman beat the count, if the fight had gone on Ali would have ended it moments later. Foreman was completely spent. There was nothing left!

 

Excellent points! Yeah, Ali just had George's number at that particular stage. Ali was just a plain better fighter. Even when Ali was on the ropes and Foreman was wailing away, Ali was blocking and deflecting most of his punches, and he was zapping Foreman with stiff punches off the ropes. A lot of people make it sound as if all Ali did was lay against the ropes and take a beating until Foreman tired out. But that's wrong! Ali was doing the effective punching and showing brilliant defense.

 

Foreman got up in the ninth but he thought it was the tenth, the ref thought it was the tenth, Ali thought tenth, and the audience and commentors thought it was the tenth. Fight over.