Anyone find weight training counter productive

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by evolve215, Aug 21, 2012.


  1. Pugsley

    Pugsley Fat Bastard Full Member

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    What do you mean by, my power and speed has increased noticeably? I find it hard to validate statements like this because people say it based on how they 'feel' that day. OKay, I FELT fast and powerful. Its such a subjective term if you havent actually measured your performance regularly.

    Anyway I'm not being a pedant, since I cant argue with how peopel 'feel' about their performance. By omitting one thing in your training, you've saved your energy to do something else. That's just by default.
     
  2. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was asking, something entirely different actually :D, but there are other ways to recruit large Fibres, plus I dont want stiffness in the Tendons. I want them Strong, some depending where, and what they are doing, pliable. You can improve technique, while strength Training, and make it Sports Specific, thats where the Slap and Tickle reference came in. Trouble with Iron, is its constant, weight distribution, where Joint movement is Not.
     
  3. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    My bad. I don't understand what you mean by Irons constant weight distribution? All resistance training is exerting varying amounts of force depending on the position of the moment arm.
    And a stiff tendon is a strong tendon, a tendon that flicks back quickly for power. A compliant, sloppy tendon is only useful for slow movements.
     
  4. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Working with Weights, Ive found counter productive. I would rather do work with Elastic, Rubber, Parachutes and uneven surfaces, Crash Mats and the like. I find it better, for repairing the Damage the Eyes do, to Balance, and causing 95% of injuries, as Eyes Do.
     
  5. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    How can the eyes damage balance? They are probably the main component of balance. I understand you don't want to be over reliant on using your eyes for balance, you need good proprioceptice feedback as well obviously.
    Proprioceptive feedback doesn't have a whole lot to do with strength either.
    Elastic and rubber resistant training has problems as well, you're only resisting force at the end of the range of motion. With weights it's the opposite usually, depending on where the moment arm is.
    How could weights be counter productive? You don't think the strength gains help a boxer?
     
  6. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eyes are the primary source, for us having a Dominant side, or preferred side to Do. Stopping the faster senses, of Touch and Feel operating as they should. Plus stopping them working to their optimal in action, one side does while the other supports the action. Causing an imbalance over time, to muscular condition through the Muscles and Tendons. Thats why, Yes you should Have strong Ligaments, Tendons should be strong and have elasticity, ask anybody who has worked with C/P, having said that, that is an extreme point. Hip and below Knee, Ankle, Have a 6/3/6 of side movement, Tight Tendons, restricts that and can cause serious injury to ligaments. To end Body works all or Nothing, Stretching Helps with Muscle Balance, to Transport the Head, its Job.
     
  7. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its only something that, a Professor of Osteopathy at Harvard a dear Freind explained to me years ago. :rofl
     
  9. TVLPC

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    No way, I enjoy and learn much from both "scrap" and "dealt with" posts.
     
  10. boxingtactics07

    boxingtactics07 Active Member Full Member

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    doesn't it ultimately come down to the sport and the individual? ie a boxer bench pressing is a step back as he needs compliant tendons in his shoulders and a runner squatting is a step forward as he needs stiff tendons in his knees?
     
  11. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    :lol::thumbsup

    You know the crazy thing? People actually believe this ****! O know i havent worked out in 2 weeks!! I'm loosing mass!!!
     
  12. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    :lol::lol:
     
  13. Nipple

    Nipple I hate my username banned

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    In a nutshell, No. Quite the opposite, actually.

    Just another clueless Boxer to add to the other 600,000,000 that have got the "weights are bad" frame of mind.

    Weights, Used in the right way (Power/Endurance/Strength) are great and should be incorporated into a Boxers routine.
     
  14. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What I think is being Discussed, is resistance Training. Which is the Better for Athletic movement, and adapting to what is trying to be achieved, to me weights are not the way to go. But the Sports manufactures will tell you Bollocks to get you believing, to make money. :yep
     
  15. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I agree with that.