Anyone get the sense that Cotto/Margarito might be like PBF/Gatti?

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  1. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't mean that dramatic but i think a lot of people think that this fight will be very competitive and i don't think it will be. Cotto is simply a class above. A guy who was matching jabs with Mosley and Judah.

    Most people are buying into the Margarito hype because he beat a guy who he already had in his hip pocket mentally in Cintron. Before that, Margarito had lost to Paul Williams decisively and was clearly losing against Clottey before Clottey hurt his left hand. And the fight clearly turned from that point on. And i think "respected" columnist Dan Rafael :good is saying that Margarito would rather fight Cotto than Clottey on his P4P rankings. Check out the link below and read Cotto's paragraph.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=3404938
     
  2. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why does everyone always bring up the Gatti fight ? Gattis a warrior but hes not even on Margaritos level. Alot of people have beaten Gatti very badly almost deadly looking type beatdowns from DLH,Gomez,Baldomir and Manfredy.
     
  3. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can. It's called boxing skill that Cotto has which Margarito doesn't. Cotto seems to refine his boxing skills further after every fight. This guy has a very underrated jab. His hand speed is very underrated. He can box Margarito from the outside and Margarito struggles against anyone that can actually box and has some hand speed. Ask Williams and Clottey. I mean Margarito couldn't even get inside Williams' feather jabs. He had so much of Williams' body to chop down but just couldn't manuever inside. He's limited.
     
  4. Words

    Words Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No because Cotto is nothing like a quick or skilled as PBF. He isn't sharp enough to totally dissect a warrior like Gatti.

    My guess is Cotto against a prime Gatti is a closer fight, against someone like Gatti, Miguel Cotto would revert to being the powerful brawler he used to be rather than the skilled boxer-puncher he is today. He'd go toe-to-toe and win a close UD.

    It'd be a way more entertaining fight than PBF - Gatti was, but it would be closer because of the similarity in styles.
     
  5. I_Neutral

    I_Neutral P4P Emeritus Full Member

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    I'm afraid i agree. Cotto outboxes him for a UD. I would love to see a crazy, all out brawl but i don't see Cotto risking it.
     
  6. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No one is. But i think people have this huge misconception that Cotto is just a brawler. His overall boxing skill and hand speed is very underrated.
     
  7. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :huh

    Well, he was quick and sharp enough to pretty much dissect Mosley. But I guess Shane is a few levels down from Arturo. Good point.

    Prime Gatti was probably a lightweight, but that aside, which Cotto are you talking about? Maybe weight-drained 140 pound Cotto gets into a war with Gatti, but even then, look at how he blasted out guys like Branco with brute strength. Going off of how PBF hurt Gatti to the body, Cotto would have wrecked him downstairs.

    The other way to look at it is that the similarity in styles (if you really want to call a face first power puncher the same as a methodical, technically sound stalker) would have made Miguel's superior abilities compared to Arturo that much more obvious.
     
  8. dave82

    dave82 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nor does Cotto need to. Though Cotto can brawl he possess 1st class boxing skills.
     
  9. C Money

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    Floyd fans should keep hanging onto that Gatti fight. It will be your wet dream of Floyds career.

    Cotto aint NOTHING LIKE GATTI. Better power, BETTER BODY ATTACK(no offense to Arturo, he had a good body attack. But boxing on Cotto's level makes it even better), and Cotto is better ALL AROUND.
    PBF will have to have the greatest fight of his life, just to WIN. A blowout like Gatti? GTFO:yep

    Margarito? Sure he expects to WIN and he's downplaying Cotto. Its OK, he'll find out differently on fight night. Salute Antonio, he is a warrior. But he's gonna now face the guy who really might beat Floyd. See what that means in the ring:good
     
  10. Drederick Tatum

    Drederick Tatum Active Member Full Member

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    No where near that magnitude, but There's a part of me that's starting to think that Cotto might just attack Margarito in the beginning of the fight in order to put him away early/ take advantage of the slow starter/and assert his speed and power. The guy always suprises, he really is an intelligent fighter, I cant wait to c the outcome.
     
  11. Words

    Words Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He didn't "dissect" mosley! Did you even watch the fight? Floyd absolutely schooled Gatti, took him apart ruthlessly and cruelly. Cotto could never do that because he isn't as fast and isn't as technically gifted as Floyd. What Cotto did to Mosley was nothing compared to what Floyd did to Gatti. The Mosley fight was a close call, there was 1-2 rounds in it, maximum. The Floyd Mayweather - Arturo Gatti fight was a mismatch and a beat-down.

    A prime Arturo Gatti at 140lbs gives Miguel Cotto a hard fight. Miguel Cotto is a better fighter than Gatti, and I'd pick him to beat any version of Gatti at any weight, but he hasn't got the skills to totally close down a warrior like Arturo and destroy him like Mayweather or De La Hoya did.

    Basically, against a warrior like Gatti who likes to trade, I can see Cotto making it harder for himself by getting into a war and making Gatti's kind of a fight. He'd win because of superior strength, power and body punching, but it wouldn't be a one-sided destruction like we saw against Floyd. It would be a thrilling fight that ends with a close UD win for Cotto I reckon.

    Well, "technically sound" Miguel Cotto may be a better fighter than Gatti, but he doesn't have the pure boxing talent of De La Hoya or Mayweather, which is necessary to destroy Arturo Gatti. Also, Cotto likes to come forward and has been known to neglect his defence in order to get his shots off. That makes it easier for Gatti to turn it into his type of fight, and thus keeps the result closer. If the best you can say to describe your boy is "technically sound", unlike Floyd Mayweather who I would describe "phenomenally gifted", then I think that says it all about wether or not Cotto is good enough to take Gatti apart like Floyd did.

    Anyway, Cotto - Margarito will be a close fight. Cotto's boxing skills will be put to the test because Margarito is big, skillful and hard-hitting. He has a good chin and wont be bullied around, so Cotto cant just steamroller this guy like he did Gomez. He has to fight like he did in the Mosley fight and be smart if he wants to win.
     
  12. Goose

    Goose Russian oligarch Full Member

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    more like hagler hearns
     
  13. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    :thumbsup It's gonna be one hell of a fight!
     
  14. Boom_Boom

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    thats how i see it

    these guys trying to kill each other from the start, and when one of them has enough he'll try to box, but it'll be too late.
     
  15. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    This is exactly what I've been saying

    The big difference that everyone will be taken by is Cotto's speed
    Cotto's SPEED will win the nite
    When they fought on the same card a few weeks ago this was very apparent
    Now combine the speed with excellent ring intelligence, and counterpunching ability and.....yes it could be on level with PBF-Gatti.......maybe not AS bad but pretty damn close....there won't be ANY doubts as to who the best 147lb champ is!!