Anyone given up on traditional aerobic training?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Zagalón, Nov 23, 2009.


  1. Jerry

    Jerry Active Member Full Member

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    I have no idea why Mike Tyson would get up at 4:30 am to run then..he sure as hell didn't like to train. Almost all fighters run, the ones that don't, like Wladmir Klitschko, swim or do something else. Aside from fighters devoting precious training time to it though there are other reasons.

    12 round fight=48 minutes.
    An aerobic workout as defined by my 8th grade health book is a workout which raises your heart-rate above normal for more than 20 minutes.

    Your heart rate will not return to normal in the 1 minute between rounds.

    Boxing=Aerobic AND Anaerobic.

    Here are some benefits copy/pasted from Wikipedia..but are also widely accepted as coming from aerobic exercise.

    Strengthening and enlarging the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart"]heart[/ame] muscle, to improve its pumping efficiency and reduce the resting heart rate, known as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_conditioning"]aerobic conditioning[/ame].

    Improving circulation efficiency and reducing blood pressure

    Increasing the total number of red blood cells in the body, facilitating transport of oxygen.

    All of these things are very beneficial to a fighter, hell they are beneficial to anyone.

    Here are some more that I can't verify myself but are also on the page.


    • Increased storage of energy molecules such as fats and carbohydrates within the muscles, allowing for increased endurance
    That one actually means more anaerobic ability..so there aerobics help anaerobic function.

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neovascularization"]Neovascularization[/ame] of the muscle [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcomeres"]sarcomeres[/ame] to increase blood flow through the muscles

    I have no idea wtf that means, but it sounds damn handy.

    Increasing speed at which aerobic metabolism is activated within muscles, allowing a greater portion of energy for intense exercise to be generated aerobically.

    and finally...

    Enhancing the speed at which muscles recover from high intensity exercise
     
  2. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Aerobic activity will improve your bodies ability to operate under stress below your aerobic threshold, anerobically it has little assistance. You must train anerobically for your body to adapt to anerobic exercise. Truly end of discussion. That is FACT.
     
  3. Johnboy2007

    Johnboy2007 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Am i simplifying it too much if i say you basically need both by the sounds of it?:lol:
     
  4. Zagalón

    Zagalón New Member Full Member

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    I include long steady jogs, bike rides etc now as pleasant and light relief from the brutally intense circuits, sprints etc. Because of my past (running long distances) I can still go out and run for an hour and just consider it a day off from training. It is in no way a meaningful training session, rather it's just a way to keep me out the boozer and to give the dogs a nice run out while I burn calories in an undemanding way. My real training is done intensely with anaerobic work, but I do think aerobic stuff has its place, especially as I'm getting older and can't just keep hammering myself in every training session.

    When I look back at some old gyms I used to work at the biggest mistake potentially good athletes were making was to keep upping the aerobic work. It seemed ingrained to the sporting culture at the time and it often just resulted in chronic fatigue and over-use injury. Now i'm a lot more judicious in my use of getting the balance right between the anaerobic and the aerobic and I'm feeling faster and stronger as a consequence. I just wish I could be starting out on my athletic career as a young man again...
     
  5. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    Bingo, it's not one or the other the body doesn't work like that.
     
  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Being in the ring for up to 46minutes(including breaks) = aerobic, throwing combinations and punches = anaerobic. Its famously said that boxing is 30% aerobic and 70% anaerobic, I agree.

    Pacquiao seems to be taking a very scientific approach to his training these days, he still does his long distance training. When you are training for 4hours a day...that requires aerobic energy. When your dancing around the ring trying to catch your breath, you better have good aerobic capacity.
     
  7. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with Jeff on the speaking thing LOL

    Good example at the moment I do high intensity circuits and have no breath at all.

    At the same time on a 6 mile run with my buddies after a mile or so in the bank we conversate all be it at a slower than normal pace.
     
  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Its the simplist way to tell if someones working anerobically
     
  9. Zagalón

    Zagalón New Member Full Member

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    I've read a lot about Booth's stuff and what he gets Haye doing. Obviously nowadays Haye's not cutting weight so it is a different scenario for a big guy who doesn't have to concern himself with boiling down, but does anyone have some links to the sort of things he's doing? I remember when I worked with heavyweight rowers and thinking how jammy they were and how when you take the boiling down out of the equation training is a piece of ****(relatively speaking). The smaller rowers reminded me of boxers (except they were soft posh ****s as I worked at Oxford Uni) with the constant concern for making weight so they also incorporated interminable CV sessions into their routines just to burn calories on top of their brutal anaerobic sessions.

    It seems apart from the disgracefully out of shape heavies everyone still gets their Long Steady Distance in then.Cheers for info everyone