Anyone here read "Live Fast, Die Young the Life and Times of Harry Greb"?

Can we just kill this thread?

 

You know that LA is not America it is a liberal hub of leftist insanity.....the Democrat party is a historically southern political party in which it was a post civil war pro slavery background in an effort by white Southerners to keep former slaves under some sort of control, in the forms of share croppers, Jim Crow and segregation and welfare.....southern Democrat policies they have just gotten sneakier had keeping blacks down as social media evolves.....it was the conservative North who ended slavery not the Democrat southerners.

Actually just you and dagowop seem to be hypersensitive about social issues as every generation has it's quirks this recent millennials era is characterized by the snowflakes who melt with any resistance to their values as social justice warriors.....so you can ignore the whole and select every thing that rubs you wrong....it isn't my fault the Goebbelsesque liberal media has convinced your generation that what they say is true....but the truth was spoken by what the people do not what the media has told you......CNN tried but the insanity of the left has driven people away and blacks are seeing how they were used and manipulated by liberal leftist. Keep watching CNN and of course any news in the valley in socal.

Get off the Democratic plantation!

Since you said blacks who were conservative we're what was that you called them ignorant....why? Because they place survival and emoyment over LGBTQ or green energy stuff like most Americans......it's attitudes like that oppresses people because God forbid a black person can't come to his own conclusions about policies that are bad for them.....jeeeez

Can you kids quit complaining grow some thicker skin and understand even a racist can be a great fighter....if that's what he is but you don't know you weren't there but the event accordig to his research happened so what that's life getting offended doesn't make it any less true

 

Forum rules question: Is he allowed to use the n-word to address people on this forum? Are racially charged epithets allowed here?

EDIT: Second question - was someone banned for bringing up the fact that he used a racially charged epithet in his book to describe a person with dark skin?

 

Which N-word?

Is there a difference between terminology that is patently offensive and that which is outdated? Who here is an authority on this topic when then even academic fields such discussions have spawned can not agree for more than one semester what is the proper terminology? Are any of you Black? Any of you have family members who are Black? Does DW or K or anyone else claim to speak for all Blacks?

Just curious.

 

You sound like a real space cadet. You're making a fool of yourself, regurgitating ridiculous rightwing talking points that anyone with a quality education and critical reasoning skills should be able to see right through. But please, go on. I know your type. Grew up around a lot of smug, know-nothing blowhards like you (even have a couple in my family still alive). I'm sure you know more than all the social scientists, experienced journalists, and Democrat public servants combined, you being Joe Schmoe everyman middle-aged conservative male who's seen the world and all.

PS - I'm not a millennial. And I never figured out why being a social justice warrior is supposed to be an insult, but yeah, I think social justice is a good thing.

PPS - What's LA got to do with anything? You accused me of being a Berkeley professor before (like that's an insult)--did you mistakenly believe that Berkeley was in LA?

 

I don't see how "Negro" was an epithet in this context. It was just a misusage of an anachronistic term that is now universally recognized as inappropriate, by someone who doesn't know better.

 

Sure, there are distinctions. But whatever disagreement there is among the relevant academic fields (and you're really overstating it-- "African American" is basically universally recognized as acceptable), there is absolutely no disagreement about whether it's appropriate to call black people Negros. And there hasn't been for quite some time.

I guess I'm spoiled by my ivory tower existence but I'm shocked that this is a debate. Do any of you guys call people "Negro" in real life?

 

Tell you what: go to Harlem (or the equivalent in the area where you live) and go find some people gathered on a street corner or in front of a store use the term that he used in the book to address them and I think you’ll find agreement that it’s inappropriate.

Do you think it’s a proper term in the 21st century? Do you use it? If not, why not?

 

You and Papa John should start a club.

What is acceptable often changes over time. It’s called progress.

I’m beyond baffled: Most 21st-century authors not named David Duke who used such an offensive term would, when called out, apologize and agree that it was inappropriate and declare that they didnt mean to offend and that they deeply regret using it; a few not named David Duke would do a softer backtrack and say it was an unfortunate choice of word and that they realize it was inappropriate and they’ve learned something from this discourse and vow never to make the mistake again; then there is a third category including yourself, perhaps David Duke and others who think like him, who would defend the use of the word and say, in so many words, anyone who is offended needs to get over it.

So answer this if you will: Do you use the term in your daily life? Would you use it to an African American’s face? Would you, for instance, if you met Marvelous Marvin Hagler or Mike Tyson look them in the eye and call them that? If not, why not? Why haven’t you used it repeatedly in this thread since you think it’s OK?

Planting your flag over the use of the n-word is not a good look. Seriously, you really believe that it was a good word choice? You stand by it as an appropriate word to use to describe an African American?

 

Would you try to call me a dago and a wop to MY face? Those terms are WAAAY more offensive. There is, in fact a respected institution named The United Negro College Fund. There is no United Dago Wop College Fund.

 

Stop equating Negro with the N word we all know but refuse to spell out. It is precisely this kind of overstatement and hysteria that devalues constructive dialogue. No shades or nuance just full outrage all the time. The very definition and practice of anti intellectualism.

And by the by, if that one word was the most memorable detail from the entire book I wonder if you even have an interest in boxing.

 

Oh yeah? For how long?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_586d9f6ce4b021b75256f08e/amp

 

A HuffPo post from a college kid (and a British Nigerian at that)? Are you being sincere?

There are millions of black people in America—obviously you’ll stumble upon outliers who hold unique or contrarian views (as is their right). But this stuff really isn’t that difficult. “African American” has been a very widely used and accepted term for at least 25-30 years now. “Negro” hasn’t been considered appropriate since at least the 1970s/early 80s, as far as I can tell.

 

Indeed. And it would even work in the gentrified parts of Harlem, where the yuppies and hipsters would look at you like you were from another planet.