Anyone in the top ten for 1981 Ali could have beat?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Larry Holmes, Champion
    Mike Weaver
    Gerry ****ey
    Leon Spinks
    Michael Dokes
    Gerrie Coetzee
    Marty Monroe
    Trevor Berbick
    Greg Page
    Bernardo Mercado
    Ken Norton

    That's March 1981, so let's pretend that Ali was picking out his opponent in that month. Here's the ten. See anyone you like?

    Shot Norton is a possibility...
     
  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Mercado maybe? Not really though.. dont think he would take any of those guys at that point
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Shot or not, he's the last one I'd pick.

    Maybe Monroe, but I'm not sure he could have beaten any of them. His last creditable performance was Spinks 2, almost three years earlier. He had started to exhibit symptoms by then.
     
  4. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None.The embarrassment would've been huge.
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  6. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None. Not even Mercado and Monroe. The fact they let him fight in 81 boggles the mind. He showed absolutely nothing in the Holmes fight. His doctors gave some excuse that tyroid medication used to help him lose weight for the Holmes fight made him lethargic, but he was plain shot. We now know he was already suffering the early effects of Parkinsons by 80-81.
     
  7. Dubblechin

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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    His effort against Berbick is underrated. He did quite well. Not sure how his training camp went for that fight but his camp against Holmes was all smoke and mirrors.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes I agree with that. KO TV or whatever it's called, on C4 last night, they were talking about this fight and how it was a "terrible embarrassment" and that Ali had "nothing left" and all that ****. People often do this - talk about the Holmes fight like it was the Berbick fight.

    Ali looked like a gatekeeper against Berbick IMO.
     
  10. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali was at his best against big punchers. I wonder ****ey, who was offensively great, but i would have thought would have been standing in front of Ali trying to land the big shots, and also i would have thought that he had one of the weaker chins of those mentioned, might just be worth the punt by Ali. It wouldnt have hurt that it would have been a huge fight, also.

    I pick ****ey at this stage, but i do think that ****ey represents the best Risk vs reward scenario. Like others, i think that the Berbick fight wasnt a bad effort, particularly considering how bad the holmes fight was. I think Ali might just find a way to win against at least one of the top 10.
     
  11. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    He looked ****ing awful against Berbick.
     
  12. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Those problems were happening all the way back in 1977.
     
  13. FastHands(beeb)

    FastHands(beeb) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with this. He might not have looked as bad as he did in the Holmes fight, but he was still awful - considerably removed from Spinks 2 and miles away from Frazier 2. I remember Hugh McIlvanney of The Observer (at the time - he later wrote for The Times) wrote an excellent article on this fight headlined "The King Who Went Out On A Dustcart".

    It should also be remembered in context that at this point in time that Berbick wasn't as highly regarded in '81 as he was at around the time of the Thomas fight. He was largely considered as a strong, robust awkward guy, who had taken Holmes to an uncompetitive decision.

    The win over Tate was viewed as showing the how far (literally!!) Tate had fallen, it was not viewed as a great performance by Berbick.
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I've never seen Marty Monroe fight so I have no clue how Ali would do against him. As for the rest, it would be pretty tough to give Ali an edge at that point.
     
  15. Dubblechin

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