Anyone know about Ralph Dupas?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by suicide booth, Sep 5, 2009.


  1. My dad is a sort of an "öld school" boxing fan (he is 72 now). For some reason his favourite fighter is Ralph Dupas. He talks about him with a lot of passion. Since it's his birthday coming up, I thought I would try to get some info on Ralph and give it to him in a little package. I was hoping for some video but that looks nearly impossible. Anyway I'm just looking for an angle..any of you boxing aficianados know anything about him?
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i got some Dupas footage i got it from RB on here.

    Dupas was a really good pure boxer but lacked power.

    He had great movement and angles and used fast shots to counter and lead against opponents. He also had a good jab
     
  3. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Here is a post I copied wrote a little while talking about Dupas and some of his fellow boxing mates from the Big Easy:

    Speaking of Angelo Dundee, he has been credited mistakenly in the past in some articles of having developped both Dupas and Pastrano as fighters, but in reality it was legendary New Orleands trainer Whitey Esnault who molded them and taught them that style of boxing.

    Dupas and Pastrano were not tutered by Angelo Dundee. Whitey Esnault sent Both to fight for Chris Dundee for his promotions in Miami Beach and being Whitey could not leave New Orleans because of business comitments and later losing his leg he put the boys under Angelo's care when not boxing in the Crescent City.

    Later Angelo became their manager/trainer for which a law suite was filed by Esnault for stealing the fighters. Esnault was the tutor and teacher that gave Dupas and Pastrano their style of flashy, classic, speed boxing not Angelo.

    The Docusen and Dupas brothers along with Pastrano were all tutored and trained by Esnault at the famed St. Mary`s Gym in the French Quarter. Nobody taught flashy speed boxing better than Whitey. His boys were all cllassy boxers with moves that would have made Willie Pep blush with envy.

    Another interesting story about Esnault was as Bernard and Maxie Docusen were rapidly advancing up the ladder, Esnault unexplicably transferred their management to Bonnie Geigerman. Geigerman happened to be the brother-in-law of New York crime boss Frank Costello who everyone knew had a special interest in boxing. Geigerman was also an associate of New Orleans boss Carlos Marcello who was a partner with Costello in many ventures.

    Was there any pressure put on Whitey to sell his interests in the Docusens? Nobody knows but Whitey never begrudged Maxie and Bernard always saying that Geigerman could do more for their success than he could.

    As for Ralph Dupas he had every quality of the great fighters except crunching power. Look at his record and the quality guys he has beaten, the man is a surefire alltimer in my book. I love Ralph`s style and he was just one fast fast guy with a big heart, nobody at his weight today would have touched him.

    I've always kind of correlated Dupas & Joey Archer in a way. Dupas was faster but they were both absolutely superb boxers whose careers were cursed by their absolute lack of power. They both still had excellent careers but it makes you wonder what they could have accomplished if they had some power to go along with their ability.

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  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Raging Bull has it all here..all I have to say is, "that's right". Dupas was a fine fighter, uh, BOXER would be more accurate. He was the first opponent to face Emile Griffith after the Paret tragedy, and gave the troubled Griffith more trouble in the ring with his hit and not be hit style, like his buddy Pastrano's. Griffith, fortunately for him, was always a consumate 15 round fighter, however, and rallied in the last two rounds, almost decking Dupas in the 14th, to take a close decision. Dupas would not be denied by this loss to Griffith, however, and the following year would defeat Denny Moyer by a 15 round decision to win the junior middleweight title.
     
  5. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah its been covered mostly. A fine boxer who couldn't break and egg with his best sunday punch. I think he was Emile Griffith's first fight back after the Paret tragedy.
     
  6. That's actually really interesting because when you google "Ralph Dupas" you get a million references to Angelo Dundee. I would say most of the articles pretty much ONLY mention him for that association. That's the recent ones anyway...if any of you haven't tried it..google fight stuff from the google archive (searches all dates), it's beyond facinating reading media about fights as they were percieved at the time rather than through the lense of hein site.

    Thanks everybody for the help. I think my dad like Ralph Dupas because he associates him with a time in his own life. He basically said what you guys said, that he was beautiful to watch but no power. Dad said that raplh was quite aware of his limitation and once said in the Australian media "if i knock someone out it was an accident". But for some reason his skills were more appreciated in AUstralia than his native country.

    Ahhh, the good old days!!