Anyone knows why jmm turned down...

I said I was through discussing this, but since you directed what seems like a sincere question my way......

He're the thing.....

After JMM and Pac gave us all an epic fight that had the boxing world talking for weeks about it, there was great fan interest for a rematch.

Its true that Arum did offer JMM 750K for a Pacquiao rematch.
.....Pacquiao who btw was being promoted by someone who was looking to make a quick buck off of Pacquiao (Murad Muhamad) who btw Freddie Roach made sure Pac get rid of as Roach himself was publicly stating Murad was cheating Pac and not looking out for his best interest.......

......anyways, when Arum offered team JMM 750K, Nacho felt that because there was so much fan interest for a rematch, it was certainly worth much more than the money that JMM got paid for the first fight (650K)
Nacho's feeling was that a rematch was certain to profit alot more than just a 100K purse hike that Arum was willing to offer them.

Nacho felt that Arum was going to screw both fighters out of the profits that a highly anticipated rematch would generate.
In essence Arum was tossing both fighters a bone in 100K payhikes for both, relative to the additional profits that a rematch would surely generate.

What alot of people such as yourself fail to realize Sage, is that Nacho was standing up for the fighters....not just JMM, but also Manny Pacquiao who Nacho publicly stated was being dry humped by both Murad Muhamad and Bob Arum.
(btw, Freddie Roach at the time, agreed with Nacho Beristein, and was working behind the scenes to make sure Pac get rid of Murad Muhamad)

In any regards, what Nacho wanted for his fighter JMM, was true and honest purse negotiation for JMM. Arums offer was a (how dare you peasant Mexican stand up to me) take it or leave it offer.
.....to this very day, Arum has a scary dark dark hate for Nacho Beristein.
Arum has been used to having his way with Mexican teams such as JMM and Nacho, coming from the lower weight classes. When Nacho questioned the possibe profits that a rematch between JMM and Pac would generate, it so angered Bob Arum.
Arum's angry tirade directed toward Nacho at the JMM-Pac rematch post fight conference very much proves my point.

In any regards, Nacho insisted that they deserved more than a 100K purse raise.....the next thing we all know, Arum announces that Morales-Pac has been signed.

My point being that there was never any negotiations after Arum's 750K offer. Arum was so insulted that Nacho would demand to negotiate, he did everything in his power to draw up the Morales-Pac fight, and laugh at Nacho Beristein in the process.


You can disagree with Nacho's demand that the purse for a rematch be negotiated, but people should at least know the facts before they spread venom Nacho's way.




Btw, the misconception is that JMM and Nacho turned down 750K to fight Pac and in place accepted 30K to fight John in Indonesia.....

......Arum and *******s all around would love all of us to believe that, but the reality is that its far from what happened......

The reality is that a proposed JMM-Pac rematch negotiation broke down in late 2004......
When it broke down and a Morales-Pac fight was announced instead, JMM signed to fight Victor Polo.

Pac fought Morales in March 2005.
JMM fought Polo almost two months later in May 2005.

The Chris John fight for JMM did'nt come ti'll March of 2006, over a year after JMM-Pac rematch broke down.

It was never an issue of JMM choosing to fight Chris John in Indonesia in place of Manny Pacquiao.
That clearly was not the issue and the time frames when those fights occured prove it.

.....but Bob Arum, and *******s all around like to spin it as if it were!

Sage, the Chris John fight happened for JMM because at the time, Bob Arum still had JMM in a strangle hold and under contract under his promotion.
Arum was'nt doing anything as far as trying to get JMM a fight.
The John fight was a chance for JMM to fight for a title that he had been politically stripped of, and at the same time, legally rid themselves of Bob Arum promotion.

Unfortunately JMM got robbed in Indonesia, but the one good thing that came about it, is that since Arum has as chance to promote that fight but chose to decline it....it was JMM last fight under the cloud of Bob Arum, and at the very least he rid himself of Bob Arum by fighting Chris John.



Sage, these are the facts my friend......you certainly can draw your own conclusions!
Thanks for asking to get informed!:thumbsup

 

He picked the judges score to show all the judges weren't Asian

 

I was once told a long time Divac: never do things out of principle.





Now in principle, i can see what you are saying, and what nacho was trying to achieve. Nacho may have wanted a better deal for his fighter.




The reality: His fighter missed out on a three quarter million payday and as an indirect consequence was forced to fight on foreign soil for vastly less money and ended up losing the title.



Love arum, hate arum, it doesn't matter. Nacho may be a great trainer, but in terms of dollars and cents: $750,000 - $30,000 = 720,000 of missed income.






The reality was nacho overestimated his fighters worth and IMO severly ****ed up as a result.



But each to their own opinion.





Personally, even if my worst enemy offered me a fight for $750,000 i'd take the money.






Sage

 

I dont know my friend, looks like you just deemed my post too long and just skipped right through it. Never taking the time to read it through and letting it soak in!
Oh well, I have been accused quite often around here of putting out too much information for them to have the time to go through!
Sorry, but when the passion drives me, I do like to make myself clear for those that are willing to read!

In any regards.....
Its easy now to criticize Nacho for taking a stand and wanting to negotiate what was fair......hindsight is that Pac got the Morales fight, and although he lost, was fortunate to get another crack at him.

.....however when someone in whatever spectrum has to make a decision, you make it in the now.
That person never has the advantage of looking at it in hindsight perspective.

In hindsight, Nacho could have handled JMM's career a whole lot differently, but its mind boggling to me really, that he gets the most criticised for a situation where he was against the promotional teams hogging up almost literally 100% of the profits that both JMM and Pac fought to earn when they fought an epic fight to the joy of us fans to begin with.

People just dont get it......In my head I picture Bob Arum telling both JMM and Pac teams during that time of negotiations for an immediate rematch, tossing both JMM and Pac each a bag of peanuts and saying......."All right guys, here you both go. You both get the ring again and dont worry or thank me about those bags of peanuts, they're on me You both just worry about the fighting!

......and in the Process, Arum rakes up all the profits that both fighters fought there arse's off in their first fight to earn!:-(

Its mind boggling why people just cant understand, why Nacho made that decision that he did, and just look at it through hindsight glasses.

Hindsight is never wrong, but none of us ever have the advantage of it when we make any decision in life.

 

J.M.M was the champion lol. He held the belts, and was low balled by Arum, and that is a fact.

 

A very good post, and the underlined is partly the reason why the rematch was turned down. Some people don't know the economics of boxing. I don't blame them, but reading their posts at times is comical. I don't pretend to know everything, but when they offered J.M.M $750,000 for the rematch, it is clear why J.M.M turned the offer down.

 

Well have to agree to disagree here divac. None the less, was good debating the point, at least you are prepared to articulate your opinion eloquently. A pleasent change from the blah blah STFU nonsense that normally comes up on threads like these!






Sage

 

What's up Bolo. Anyway, the judges don't have to be Asian, they could just be "influenced" by the cheering. Pac missed many of his punches in the Barrera and J.M.M rematches, but the crowd cheered like PAc landed. I understand that part of boxing, shite happens. When they said Mayorga beat forrest in the rematch, I said wait a minute. I watched the replay of the fight and Mayorga missed just about every damn punch he threw. HBO wanted to ride Mayorga out.

 

Another very good post. :good

 

I see what you are posting, but if J.M.M took the rematch, and the first fight being on ppv and was a classic, why would you only take a $100,000 raise from the first fight when you would still have your title? :goodYou need to find out how much Arum was standing to make for the rematch also.

 

This childish response is only digging a deeper hole for yourself lol. J.M.M chicken, and now he was scared...Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...:rofl

 

yeah I asked them persoanlly and they said,

No comprende Senor' me gusto tacos

 

Sure thing, toughy.

 

He is a *****. That's why he decided to fight Pac later in his career when he is aging and when Pacquiao has improved so much since the first fight.

 

Right on the money mate. Big time *****. :rofl