Anyone surprised that Usyk totally outshone Lomachenko?

Loma's biggest problem is Loma. His pride gets the best of him. This is not the 1st time I've said this. I think his pride got the best of him in the Salido fight. No one can tell me Loma couldn't have boxed the flat footed plodding Salido's ears off. His Pride told him to stand and trade with the weight bully. Fighting Lopez with one arm? Come on! His biggest test as a pro and he goes in there with a bad arm? Fighting 2 divisions higher than he should? The Haney fight should have never happened. Some say he was robbed, I had it a draw. If my memory serves me right, I gave Haney the 2nd, but it was a close round. If I gave it to Loma, he would have won on my card. I think he believes his own hype a little too much. Makes bad decisions because of it.

 

Well said. The guy is a prima dona and messed up his pro career.

The talent was there. The savy for the pro game was not.

 

He has similar dimensions to Pacquiao. Also, not even that much smaller than Duran.

 

Short limbs. Just because one guys body type better carries more weight doesn't mean another person's will.

By the time fought in the pros after a really long amateur career, he had already moved up to the highest weight he could reasonably go.

He's a tiny guy.

 

Yea and so are Pacquiao and Duran. They are both short men with a short reach.

 

Does everyone put on weight the same way? It's ridiculous to think that's true.

Keep in mind Loma already moved up in his amateur days. The dude was already as big as he was going to get after fighting 32 years in the amateurs (joking a little).

It's not in question if he was more effective at the lighter weights.

 

Not surprised

Usyk is mentally stronger and honestly I would argue a better fundamental boxer. Loma's style is simply more eye-catching and flashy which is why he got more plaudits and attention, but Usyk proved that he is p4p (much) better.

Bonafide ATG & 2x undisputed, vs. HOF'er at best who lost to opponents who won't even be in the HOF

 

I wouldn't say "outshone". Lomachenko has accomplished things Usyk hasn't, and vice versa.

 

All true and well said, if he had stayed at 126, he would have been considered great not just dare to be great. Although you and many consider him great and give good arguments for his pro set backs, if he stayed at 126 and dominated, which there is no doubt he would have, he would be on that ATG list. And he would be looking at a passing of the torch fight with Inoue. Imagine him dominating 126 for the past 5-6 years and beating Inoue (not a given)then riding off in the sunset, his only blemish is the Salido fight. That is a career worthy of Loma's skill.

 

Usyk's resume is much, much deeper than Loma's one. Plus Loma wasted a lot of time beating C-level no-hopers in title fighters like Koasicha and Rodriguez or slightly better but far from good opponents like Sosa, Marriaga, Crolla. Usyk's worst opponent in his 12 title fights was Thabiso Mchunu - a bona fide top 10 contender, who was levels above Sosa, Marriaga, Crolla. And Usyk's early opponents like Venter and Miller were arguably better than atrocious Gamalier Rodriguez and Romulo Koasicha both of whom Loma fought in title fights wasting a precious time for no-hopers

 

I understand what you're saying but Salido also came in overweight that's why he was stripped, he came into the ring as a Welterweight in a fight scheduled at Featherweight. Not to mention the referee allowed Salido to low blow all night long and Salido should've had a point deducted in the last round for excessive holding when Loma had him hurt.

I don't consider Haney, Salido, as legit losses although he clearly lost to Lopez he gave that fight away IMO.

 

True stuff.


I have him with one close lose to Lopez who showed no interest in rematching.

IMO, he defeated both Salido and Haney, two men who were much bigger than him.

Inactivity has hurt him of late and he did start his professional career fairly late.

So he will probably not have time to build the resume he could have under different circumstances.

Still, I see him as the most naturally talented boxer since Floyd Mayweather.

 

It's not Loma's fault he couldn't get the top fighters at 126 or 130 to fight him.