Anyone surprised that Usyk totally outshone Lomachenko?

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  1. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True. I had Loma over Usyk originally. Pretty sure nearly everyone did. But Usyk was always a favourite of mine regardless
     
  2. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is surprising

    Years ago I thought that Lomachenko would be viewed as the best boxer of this generation

    That isn't going to happen

    A few years ago Canelo, Crawford and Inoue were rated higher than Usyk as well

    I didn't think Usyk would do this well at heavyweight
     
  3. FreddieGibbs

    FreddieGibbs Active Member Full Member

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    All of them are much bigger than Loma. I’m talking if Usyk and Loma were the same size. And my comment was an exaggeration but I think Loma would win quite handily
     
  4. FreddieGibbs

    FreddieGibbs Active Member Full Member

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    Loma looks like a garden gnome compared to Teo though. If Loma and Usyk were the same size I’d bet the house on Loma, that’s just how I see it personally
     
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  5. boxingexpert733

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    Lopez beat him fairly though.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    They literally both weighed in at the same weight.
     
  7. LenHarvey

    LenHarvey Active Member Full Member

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    That's not how it works tho.. for example Haney weighed in at 140 for Prograis yet on fight night was 160.
     
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  8. DanielDimov

    DanielDimov Jabbing all night Full Member

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    I think the biggest difference was that for Loma in order to get big fights he had to move a lot between weight classes, which didn't play out good for him. If he stayed at his original weight - I don't someone could've beat him back in the days.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    Rehydration works in favour of every fighter. That's why every single one fights above their weigh in weight, Loma included.

    He was a favourite over Lopez. He was the defending champion against Lopez. Lopez would lose his next fight to Kambosos.

    Usyk never loses to a guy of Lopez's level.
     
  10. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    He had a very competitive fight with GAR at 126, who wasn't all that great. A lot of the current crop are better and maybe could've beaten him
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Who did Usyk face in his 2nd and 3rd pro fights?

    He fought bums 34-15-1 Epifanio Mendoza and 15-9-2 Ben Nsafoah

    Loma fought reigning world champion Salido in his 2nd pro fight who had only lost x 4 in the previous 13 years

    To

    Prime 42-2-1 JMM who was coming off a draw against a prime Manny

    A 30-0 Mikey Garcia

    A 18-0 prime Gamboa

    And a SD loss to 36-11-1 Cristobal Cruz who was a pretty good fighter and Salidio avenged that loss by wide scores 3 fights later

    All of whom weighed about the same as Salido and had been past 5 rounds or more many many times and past 10 or the full 12 many times, not 1-0, weighing 11lbs less than him and never been past 5 rounds in their lives


    He fought Salidio in Texas which was essentially a home match for Mexican Salido when facing a Ukrainian with the most corrupt ref in the game in tow and 3 judges who scored over a third of Salido's total punch connects as legal as scoring blows despite the fact they were all extremely low, very low, or low ie. illegal and they had to score those as legal because Loma still outlanded him by like 22 punches.

    And of course Salido 100% should've been DQ'd for cracking Loma with at least 50 low blows, a conservative estimate, or at the very least had multiple points deducted. Just one point deduction and the fight would've been a draw

    So Loma was facing arguably the dirtiest fighter in the game who weighed 11lbs more than him which is 1lb less than three weight classes in the leprechaun divisions and the most corrupt ref in the game when he was 1-0

    And then in his next fight a 24-0 GRJ in GRJ's backyard with a home ref and three home judges one of whom inexplicably scored the fight a draw despite the fact Loma beat the absolute dog poop out of GRJ and dominated the fight, like 10-2 or at absolute worst 9-3 if you want to be extremely generous to GRJ

    Robbed and royally screwed over by judges and refs over in the US in back to back fights, just his 2nd and 3rd pro fights. If that happened to Inoue if he fought over in the US I can assure you the outrage would be absolutely deafening from many of these Loma hater clowns, let alone if also got robbed of a huge legacy defining win over there for all the marbles in a weight class he was absolutely tiny for in addition to that. Part of me wants to see Inoue get that US judges treatment and robbed of a huge part of his legacy just to see the outrage from these clowns and Inoue is my current #3 fav fighter

    FTR, Loma was a two-weight champion 3 fights before Usyk fought a world class opponent

    A three-weight one who had fought 7 world champions, including one who was ranked #4 P4P and another who was P4P#11, by the time Usyk had only fought one world champion and was a one-weight champion

    And Loma had fought 8 world champions, was P4P#1, and had beaten 7 world champions (would've been 8 if not for corruption) in the same amount of fights as Usyk had when he fought his 2nd world champion
     
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  12. Unique Way

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    Credit to Loma but it doesn't change the fact that Usyk has much better pro career overall. Leon Spinks beat Muhammad Ali in his 8th pro fight while guys like Holmes, Lewis, Wlad were fighting complete bums at their 8th pro fights respectively.

    David Reid was world champion with 3 title defenses with 14 pro fights while Chavez, Clenelo, GGG and Floyd were feasting on bums at the similar stages of their careers.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I still haven't tried to make the argument Loma has had a better pro career than Usyk. I have already admitted Usyk has had the better pro career

    But he did take way more risks coming right out of the gate than Usyk did (albeit I'm not saying it's Usyk's fault), had achieved great things, like becoming a three-weight champion, becoming the quickest ever two-weight world champ, quickest ever three-weight one, the joint quickest one weight one (would be the quickest one-weight one if not for corruption), and beating 7 world champions, and becoming P4P#1, all in the amount of fights it took Usyk to defeat one world champion, and Loma HAS been screwed over by refs and robbed of 2 wins when Usyk never has and easily could of in a bunch of his fights if he had Loma's bad luck

    Loma should have 1 loss

    If Usyk had been robbed against Briedis, AJ, Belly, and Chisora how would he be viewed?
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The Usyk and Loma haters alike are a really weird and nasty bunch and when you see some of the current fighters some of them hype the hell out of who have fought trash, in truly weak divisions, and haven't and never will achieve a fraction of what either Usyk or Loma have achieved, let alone in their opponent's backyards, on the road, or on a deck stacked against them against way way bigger opponents... It makes you go... hmm..
     
  15. Unique Way

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    The thing is that in none of those fights you can make argument that Usyk opponents deserved to win. Chisora was 117-111 win for Usyk, AJ 2 was 116-112, Fury 1 was either 116-111 or 115-112 (at worst), Fury 2 was 116-112. Even Briedis fight, the closest of them all, was clear win for Usyk. While Loma vs Salido was even fight that could have go either way, Loma vs Haney was like 2 points win for Loma at most and Loma vs Lopez was real loss. And, unlike Usyk, when things got tough, Loma GAVE AWAY rounds for free like the last round against Haney, or first half of the fight against Salido, or literally all 6 first rounds to Lopez. When things got tough and Usyk got everything going against him, including referee, he gathered himself and switched on an extra gear. Loma, on the other hand, did exactly opposite
     
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