Anyone think Bradley struggles with Abregu?

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  1. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    He is short and small and he is moving up vs a difficult opponent it may be like Hatton Collazo all over again a good fighter vs some one below him but the 7 pound jump may be too much

    However I still have Bradley by wide UD if the "Collazo" scenario plays out I think he still wins
     

  2. He may not have a great chin but he's also never been beat. So, what that means is, he has always gotten up off the canvas. And Bradley isn't a puncher by any means.
     
  3. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    bradley wears his opponents down with a high paced combination of boxing and pressure. abregu isn't a wild brawler, only when hurt and enticed into a dogfight (ala irving garcia). he's neither a technical boxer but he possesses some foot movement and boxing ability, like he showed against gutierrez in spots. i'd be suprised if bradley is able to put abregu down considering tim has ko'd less then half of his previous opposition. I see abregu, with his natural weight advantage, heart and power giving bradley the toughest fight he's had thus far.
     

  4. Nice assessment.:good
     
  5. DobyZhee

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    Is there even tape of this guy?
     
  6. kirk

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    :huh
    The guy is 5'6'', and has nothing exceptional in which he beats his opponents other then his discipline, skill, and workrate. The guy is shorter then Miguel Cotto.... with less power and nothing exceptional about him in which to offset larger opponents, and he makes his weight class just fine as it is.

    Its not hard to see that a very short fighter, who can be hurt, without the power to keep fighters honest or the speed to dazzle should probably stay at the weight he can make comfortably.

    This isnt a case of Mayweather moving up - He has all time great skills to go along with his speed, and is much bigger.
    This isnt a case of Pac moving up - he has great power, great speed, yadda yadda
    This isnt even a case of Cotto moving up - Cotto has solid solid power, was bigger then bradley and couldnt make 140 comfortably anymore.

    Im not going to say that Bradley cant be succesful there, hes got a very good skillset, and he imposes his will nicely along with an elite level fitness, and i rate him as a fighter above most at 147. But that doesnt mean its not hard to see why hes not suited to fight at welterweight instead of his own division, and hes taking pointless risks made greater by the fact he will be the considerably smaller man against almost every top welter without bringing an equalizer to the ring.

    Just IMO. Just because he 'can', doesnt mean he should. The weightclass doesnt suit him and it will be stupid, and a shame, if bradleys first loss comes against a fighter who beats him because he shouldnt be in the division.

    Bradley should just stay at 140 and continue to solidify his position, making title defences, and forcing others to fight him (the division will probably come together in about two fights each, making for some big fights).

    Fact is, the guy is leaving his own division while the guy who also has claim of being the best there is foaming for a fight with him. Its all ******ed.
     
  7. kirk

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    Ill be rooting for Bradley to win this fight, havnt seen much at all of Abregu, hope he doesnt pull the upset.
     
  8. Stovepipe

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    can't wait to see the odds on this one, Abregu has a real shot here
    if Bradley wins this fight he will chase both the winner and loser of Pac / May assuming it takes place.

    the end game is always money. But even if he beats Abregu there is no guarantee he gets a big money fight at welter. and he is going to have to dominate Abregu, otherwise he won't be looked at as an attractive opponent for a megastar, if he struggles.

    So if he stops or dominates Abregu and than gets Pac or Mayweather in the ring and a huge payday, you can say it was a smart move.

    Its a high risk low reward fight with no guarantee a win does anything major for his career.

    He should have stayed at 140 where he is a light hitter anyways. Watching him vs Peterson throwing combinations that weren't very damaging, but scoring, I just can't see how moving up he is going to be better. He is far from drained at 40.

    On the other side, if Abregu can win, even a marginal victory, it will be a huge huge boost for him and put him in the mix at welter.

    I think Tim and his people got too money hungry. The path to money and greatness is clearly laid out for them. He could have gone on a tour in which his money and legend would have risen with each victory.

    Every fight would be on HBO.

    Start of by decisioning Alexander in a close, exciting fight.
    Then knock out Meidana after getting floored early.
    decisions Marquez in a barnburner
    a revitalized Ortiz gets TKO'd late.
    rematch with Alexander, Tim squeaks by again.
    easily decisions a rising McCloskey in a stay busy fight
    decisions a rejuvenated Urango
    decisions Amir Khan in what is at this point a megafight
    decisions Alvarado another megafight at this point
    decisions Provodknikov

    somewhere along the line there he would become a megastar just from beating those guys, even if he lost one like Pac did to Morales, it might only add to his aura. pretty soon Mayweather and Pac would come looking for him he wouldn't have to chase them.

    Pac had people from higher weights challenging him but it was only after he started to build up a lot of heat, and Pac wasn't ducking anybody and now it appears that Bradley is, even if he isn't, it appears that way. He should be fighting at 40, which is red hot right now and he is abandoning the hottest division its really really really dumb.
     
  9. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kirk, appreciate your analysis as always but disagree with a lot of the points you make.

    He is 1 inch shorter than Miguel Cotto, who is now a belt holder two divisions higher than Bradley's current division. While lacking the punching power of Cotto, I see him as still improving with the advantages in skill and workrate as you identify above. I agree with you that he should stay and solidify the 140 division but I have no problems with him taking on tougher challenges and trying to put himself on P4P lists and in a position to fight the big boys at 147.

    IMO Bradley's power is underrated due to people focusing on his 11 stoppages in 25 fights and ignoring the fact that he KDs many of his opponents and rocks all of them at some point during their fights. He is not Paulie Malignaggi.

    5'6" Pacquiao, who as you say has world class skill, looked average many times at 135 and looks completely dominant at 147. His speed and power translate better at 147, but I'm willing to see what Bradley has got and am confident he will do well.

    Time will tell.
     
  10. charlievint

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    Don't know much about Abregu but I've heard he's pretty good. I think Tim will have struggles with the bigger man but should pull out the win. I think he goes back down to Jr WW after the fight.
     
  11. elchivito

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    Bradley is the faster and more skillful of the 2, he should get a decision. They go toe to toe, he's giving Abregu a puncher's chance. I think he beats Abregu to the punch in a decision. If Abregu had the speed to go with the pop and show better defense, he'd have a much better chance, but he struggled with Gutierrez he's not beating Bradley.
     
  12. boxer1025

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    Timmy beats abregu by decision... The only chance abregu has is if magically he comes back as edwin valeros ghost and he gets his speed, heart and power!!
     
  13. kirk

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    Fair enough PBFred :good, i for one hope he does good, but also hope that he returns to 140. There are so many matches i would like to see there to be honest. And i maintain that he doesnt do anything special enough (like pac or mayweather) to be champion at 147, but hey... he can sure as hell prove me wrong! (remember, cotto might be only an inch taller, but hes also bigger then bradley regardless, with more power and whos not slow himself when he wants to be quick... bradley makes 138 healthy and remains vibrant, cotto looked like a corpse in his last couple weigh ins for 140, and Pac is a once in an era type fighter, Bradley is no Pac)

    But i want to make clear i do think Bradley will be succesful depending on who he fights, i rate him very highly as a fighter and i believe in him and his ability, i think he could beat many welterweights on what he brings to the ring, but i just think its a bit of a pointless risk and will be making his fights that much harder in an attempt at chasing some paydays that probably wont happen in a division i dont think he can become champ in. And again, to me it would be a big shame if he is to lose moving up because hes fighting guys he shouldnt even be in the ring with.

    But hey, this is why they fight em right? He may prove me wrong, I personally just want to see him get back to 140 and put in work there. But like you say, time will tell.
     
  14. Not much longer to wait...really pumped to see this one.

    Abregu is at +450 on Sportsbook.
     
  15. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Struggles? Hell no. Runs all over Abregu like a buzzsaw and somehow gets caught with something late or random MLI.