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Anyone think Ortiz's size and strength Will be a problem??

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MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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Ortiz looks huge at 147 ,probably in the first few rounds his size and brute strength will make Floyd a little uncomfortable and hesitant . But come mid rounds , well its the same thing everytime ,we all know what happens.....

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'el nino' said: ↑

I thought Floyd looked huge against mosley - so he will hold his own
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You thought Floyd looked huge. We know victor is huge. 161 against berto. 157 at the 30 day weigh in while Floyd was 149.

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Black2023 said: ↑

Simply put no.

The style Floyd has and the way it works in boxing, you would have to be a good 30 pounds heavier or more for size/strength to play a major factor.

This is not MMA where someone can shoot for you and lay on top.

Floyd much like James Toney although employing varying methods in a sense abuse the sport of boxing.

I call it abusing but not in a bad way, as it wouldnt work in a street fight but works perfectly well in a boxing contest.

The shoulder roll, bending the head beneath the waist allows breathing room, and of course for fighter like Floyd to use his top level timing, reflexes and speed to come back with counter right hands twisting at the hip.

Even Floyd use of a high guard when in close quarters, the elbows to deflect shots, again when hurt and if Ortize does hurt him...he wont catch him again.

Floyd like Ali like Holmes use their skill to avoid further punishment. When taking a hard shots and you will in combat...the important thing is to be able to ride it out.

Ortiz from what we have seen is not skilled enough in boxing to sustain high level output method to damage someone of Floyd style.

The only way Floyd would lose this is if he lost 3 or 4 steps.

The versions of Floyd we have seen throughout his career and especially in the last 5 years only produces one conclusion. Floyd wins on points.

It would take a fighter on the same skill level or having top end physical benefits over Floyd to beat him in a boxing match.

Manny Pacqaiuo of 2008/2009 had those physical aspects...he has lost a step.

Amir Khan has the speed, timing and movement but not the technical level.

Again to beat Floyd it will take someone special and this is not despite hype/talk/whatever Ortize is not the man the boxer to do it.
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Great post, I think you summed it up well, "manipulate" would prob have been a better description than "abuse" but a great analysis all in all :good

I got odds of 11/1 on an Ortiz win and I threw a tenner on it. I'd love to see him to it. Part of me thinks he might be able to turn it into a brawl but another part of me see's Cortez constantly breaking them apart and another part of me again fears a Gatti style annihilation.

willmc83, Sep 16, 2011

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I have that feeling that Ortiz is gonna surprise us!

ANd that will make Mayweather surprise us too!

It'S juts a feeling so don'T ask me to explain you ****ing mofos

TitoMahawk, Sep 16, 2011

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Black2023 said: ↑

Simply put no.

The style Floyd has and the way it works in boxing, you would have to be a good 30 pounds heavier or more for size/strength to play a major factor.

This is not MMA where someone can shoot for you and lay on top.

Floyd much like James Toney although employing varying methods in a sense abuse the sport of boxing.

I call it abusing but not in a bad way, as it wouldnt work in a street fight but works perfectly well in a boxing contest.

The shoulder roll, bending the head beneath the waist allows breathing room, and of course for fighter like Floyd to use his top level timing, reflexes and speed to come back with counter right hands twisting at the hip.

Even Floyd use of a high guard when in close quarters, the elbows to deflect shots, again when hurt and if Ortize does hurt him...he wont catch him again.

Floyd like Ali like Holmes use their skill to avoid further punishment. When taking a hard shots and you will in combat...the important thing is to be able to ride it out.

Ortiz from what we have seen is not skilled enough in boxing to sustain high level output method to damage someone of Floyd style.

The only way Floyd would lose this is if he lost 3 or 4 steps.

The versions of Floyd we have seen throughout his career and especially in the last 5 years only produces one conclusion. Floyd wins on points.

It would take a fighter on the same skill level or having top end physical benefits over Floyd to beat him in a boxing match.

Manny Pacqaiuo of 2008/2009 had those physical aspects...he has lost a step.

Amir Khan has the speed, timing and movement but not the technical level.

Again to beat Floyd it will take someone special and this is not despite hype/talk/whatever Ortize is not the man the boxer to do it.
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I agree with everything you said.

But you are wrong!!!!

Relentless Ortiz by tko 11!

WARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

TitoMahawk, Sep 16, 2011

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Black2023 said: ↑

Simply put no.

The style Floyd has and the way it works in boxing, you would have to be a good 30 pounds heavier or more for size/strength to play a major factor.

This is not MMA where someone can shoot for you and lay on top.

Floyd much like James Toney although employing varying methods in a sense abuse the sport of boxing.

I call it abusing but not in a bad way, as it wouldnt work in a street fight but works perfectly well in a boxing contest.

The shoulder roll, bending the head beneath the waist allows breathing room, and of course for fighter like Floyd to use his top level timing, reflexes and speed to come back with counter right hands twisting at the hip.

Even Floyd use of a high guard when in close quarters, the elbows to deflect shots, again when hurt and if Ortize does hurt him...he wont catch him again.

Floyd like Ali like Holmes use their skill to avoid further punishment. When taking a hard shots and you will in combat...the important thing is to be able to ride it out.

Ortiz from what we have seen is not skilled enough in boxing to sustain high level output method to damage someone of Floyd style.

The only way Floyd would lose this is if he lost 3 or 4 steps.

The versions of Floyd we have seen throughout his career and especially in the last 5 years only produces one conclusion. Floyd wins on points.

It would take a fighter on the same skill level or having top end physical benefits over Floyd to beat him in a boxing match.

Manny Pacqaiuo of 2008/2009 had those physical aspects...he has lost a step.

Amir Khan has the speed, timing and movement but not the technical level.

Again to beat Floyd it will take someone special and this is not despite hype/talk/whatever Ortize is not the man the boxer to do it.
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THIS IS THE BEST ****ING POST I EVER READ abuse the sport of boxing.
BEEN TRYING TO FIG OUT A WAY TO EXPLAIN THAT BOXING PHENOMENON FOR YEARS THANKS

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When has anyone, thought(or known) to be bigger and stronger, been a problem for Mayweather, for more than a few moments?

Problem solved!

dwighttsharpe, Sep 16, 2011

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Oscar was a lot bigger, stronger, faster and more technically skilled than Ortiz... he got whipped

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ortiz is too slow to make his strenght count

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willmc83 said: ↑

Great post, I think you summed it up well, "manipulate" would prob have been a better description than "abuse" but a great analysis all in all :good

I got odds of 11/1 on an Ortiz win and I threw a tenner on it. I'd love to see him to it. Part of me thinks he might be able to turn it into a brawl but another part of me see's Cortez constantly breaking them apart and another part of me again fears a Gatti style annihilation.
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WOW,you got 11/1??!

You'd be a fool to not put a little punt on that!

I got 9/2 and put a little on!

irishny, Sep 16, 2011

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Floyd will dominate this kid. Thinking otherwise because of size and strength is foooooooolish.

BeaverDan, Sep 16, 2011

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Unfortunately it's not a body building contest. Ortiz defense and chin is average.Ortiz will be lively early in the contest but carrying that much muscles.Floyd the faster guy, as soon as Ortiz fades, which i predict he will in the fight.Floyd will start to brutalize Victor in epic fashion with his speed and precision.That's is all.It will be like target practice.Ortiz is not hard to hit hence why he will be target practice for Floyd when Ortiz fades.I saw Floyd aiming his shot to the body in the training videos.I believe it will end sooner than later.Those body shots will take it's toll.

Floyd TKO 9.

PIPO23, Sep 16, 2011

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Ortiz doesn't time his shots, hes just throws punches in bunches, this will be an easy fight for floyd

Diggersan, Sep 16, 2011

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i see him giving floyd problems early on. he has big power but on top of that he has great speed too. if ortiz is aggressive early on he will force mayweather to retreat. i know floyd says he's going to meet him in the centre of the ring, but i don't think he will once he feels ortiz'z strength and power. it will be attack vs defense early on and i can see vic winning a couple of the early rounds purely based on vics aggression.

thing is, its hard to keep up that pace for 12 rounds, especially when floyd is constantly catching you coming in. floyd gradually figures you out, adapting to your style, making you miss more and more and returning with good counters.

i see it being a comfortable decision for floyd. maybe 8 rounds to 4 or something.

rjko23, Sep 16, 2011

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Size won't be a factor in this fight... Floyd will control this, but he might get hit like against Mosley, if he takes it too easy here.
Anyway Ortiz is all about heart and confidence, and he's gonna need it to get through this one.

Generaly most of these big matches lately haven't really been that big, just hype.
Instead look forward to Ward vs Froch or Bernard Hopkins vs Chad Dawson.

phierl, Sep 16, 2011

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