Anyone tired about hearing how skilled Floyd is?

Excellent response to this highly biased thread, which only purpose is to bash the obviously, insanely talented Mayweather. To call the man's skill level/ability overated to the degree that the TS does here, says alot about their loyalty to one boxer.

 

Floyd is a one dimensional fighter. :rofl

I think I've heard it all now.

Anyway, because this was actually a well thought out post by GT, I thought I'd give a respectful, well though out answer:

To begin with, you mention that Floyd relies on 3 main punches, the jab, straight right and left hook. I think the OP fails to realise that this is boxing and not MMA, there are only 6 recognized punches to use, the jab, straight right, left hook, right hook, right upper and left uppercut. Now, the right hook is hardly ever used, you will be hard pressed to find a fighter who prolifically uses it, except on the inside. One good counterexample would be Pac, who throws his left hook (the southpaw equivalent of a right hook) with devastating frequency. This is but one example, no one really throws it much from the outside, and Floyd is not an in-fighter. Secondly, uppercuts, very few fighters rely on their uppercut, it is usually a money punch on the inside but not a bread and butter punch. Again, Floyd is not an in-fighter, it shouldn't be a main weapon in his arsenal. The only current fighter I can think of that uses a long uppercut from a distance is Donaire, but this is very rare. 3 punches, all used well and with success is far from one dimensional in boxing. Plus, if you watch fights where Floyd does fight on the inside, you will find what a great uppercut he has. Watch the Hatton fight, Hatton tried to tie Floyd up and maul him on the inside, and Floyd would bump him with his shoulder and sneak in a right uppercut. Its subtle, but its there, he bumps him just to get that bit of distance to allow him to get that right uppercut in, he hit him over and over with it. That's what makes Floyd such a complete fighter, in-fighting isn't his game, but if he's forced to fight, even outside his elements, you find he has weapons at his disposal even the more well known infighter doesn't have.

As for Floyd's defense, you're clutching at straws, when he feels he can time an opponent, he uses head and body movement, when he feels he can't, he holds a good high guard. Either way, he gets hit far far less than any other fighter today, and basically just about any fighter ever. His defense is superb, he positions himself just right to make his opponents miss. Not enough people realize that good slipping and weaving isn't just about reflexes, its more about being in the right position in reference to your opponent to make him miss. No one has been able to exploit Floyd on this because he's damn good and solid with this, and when he feels he can't do it well enough, he reverts to a great high guard. He doesn't get hit, you're clutching at straws. Watch his feet next time you see him fight, and you'll see just how skilled he is.

Finally, people bring up the Castillo fight too much. That was a long time ago, it's like holding the Morales fight against Pac today. Pac is a way better, more complete fighter today. Floyd is a way better, more complete fighter today. Anyone can see that. I can't believe people who say Floyd isn't the fighter he was at 135. Floyd is far better. Castillo threw Floyd out of his elements, he didn't give him room to work, he kept a good jab working and applied relentless pressure. That version of Floyd was overwhelmed and didn't react well enough. Today's version of Floyd knows how to deal with pressure, to create distance, to spoil if the other fighter wants to spoil. Floyd is a better fighter today, Castillo is NOT the blueprint to beat this version of Floyd, only Pacfans still believe this. DLH was not beating Floyd, people who believe this are seeing what they want to see. DLH was missing with just about everything he threw. Floyd was laying on the ropes, and slipping and catching 20 punch combos that just wore DLH out. If Floyd made any mistakes in that fight its being lazy and doing just enough to win, instead of actually fighting. You can fault him on that, but don't give me this, Oscar just stopped throwing the jab bs.

Floyd is by far the most complete fighter today. You have to watch the little things he does in the ring to fully appreciate it. Watch how he positions his opponents relative to himself to create openings, how he plants his feet relative to theirs. How he balances his upper body to lure them into throwing when and leave themselves overextended and open for counters, just by shifting his weight back a little.

 

:happy very good post.

 

wow talk about killing ants with sledge hammers.
i even like how you did not even have to metion that floyd was fighting castillio with one arm as he had a torn rotator cuff in his shoulder.
and you are right on about the dlh fight mayweather clearly won that fight it was not even close. i think it was the 8th round where mayweather rocked dlh with a right hand and mayweather attempted to knock dlh out.

 

Well, the OP was a little more than the Floyd is a *****, he runs like a ***** bs that the *******s normally give us, so I thought it needed a real answer. Yeah, there's plenty that could be thrown in there, but the point is, Floyd is complete, you simply need to be able to understand the game to see the subtleties he's doing sometimes.

 

I see the point of the TS and the critics, but I think there should be more objectivity to the posts.

Mayweather's skill is overrated in the sense that people think he's unbeatable. He's underrated because the competition is subpar he rarely gets pushed to using more skills than needed. The competition at the higher weights gets crappier and slower so its easier for guys like Pacquiao and Mayweather to outperform them. Mayweather and Pacquiao are cherry picking opponents for more money. It's prize fighting, just sucks how its arranged right now.

Even at the lower weights there were guys Mayweather should have fought but didn't (Freitas & Casamayor). Not entirely his fault, but he should have been more vocal about it. He took on Corrales who had the worst skillset and abilities, but he was deemed more dangerous and paid more. At 140+ it's been a bit more obvious he's not taking on any threats. (Tzyu, Margarito, Cotto, Clottey, Williams, Cintron).

What bothers me in saying he is the best is that he hasn't proved it. It's one thing to have obvious talents and potential, its another thing to have accomplishments. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but didnt!

One of the ways you know a fighter took on tough competition is if the opponent is accomplished and still can accomplish more in the sport after their loss.

At the present moment Mayweather and Pacquiao are the best we got, even with all their competitional faults. I blame the system more than the fighters.

 

i get what you're saying, but Floyd tried hard to get fights against hard opponents earlier in his career. I've seen him call out Tysu multiple times and casamayor

 

Anyone know why Floyd never fought Rico Spadafora? I remember him saying after the Chavez fight that he wanted to fight him when he moves up to 135.

 

Don't you get sick of hating on him. I'm sick of hearing all the hate and attention he gets from guys like you who claim you dont like him.

 

Your analysis is flawed on so many levels. "Fights one way"? You're obviously not nearly as bright as I thought.

 

Sinclair is good but when you look at his resume its pretty damn weak if you compare it to other great fighters.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Because Rico Spadafora is a glass jawed joke and avoided Floyd at all costs.

 

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I meant paul spadafora.