Anyone who wants to beat Mayweather...

PRproud · Dec 12, 2007

yep, i cant wait Cotto vs DLH will be good , hope it happens

PRproud · Dec 12, 2007

maybe Mayweather fights with Cotto after all, got to pray for that

cdub1012 · Dec 12, 2007

it will.... the DLH interview was on foxsportsnet an ive seen 2 diffrent posts from cottos camp it was in like the san juan star .... one was with evangalista an one from cotto

cdub1012 · Dec 12, 2007

i think mayweather cotto would be awsome an cotto could win it but he will have to do like you said.... tighten up his defence .... but over his past few fights he been gradually doing so

Outboxer · Dec 12, 2007

marzblkman said:

Decent list of attributes but I think there are some missing but first Mosley.

I disagree Mosley had these. Mosley has a terrible flaw that still he does now (which is worse because he doesn't throw combinations like he used to) and that is after he throws his punches, he does what I like to call

admiring his work

He drops his hands and looks at what he does. He did it especially in the first DLH fight. With Floyd's defense, he would absorb all what mosley threw, pick up the patterns/pace he throws at and then counter him to death. We all know when Mosley is getting beaten to the punch what a SHELL he goes into.

I think a fighter like a Sweet Pea Whitaker had the attributes to beat Floyd. The one missing attribute is feinting but it has to be mixed up.

You need to do things to keep him off balance to where as he's NOT comfortable with having figured out your attack. then you have a CHANCE.

Can we atleast end this "pressure is the way to beat Floyd crap???" I'm so sick of hearing it and its based off of a fight he was INJURED in that he immediately avenged. Yet "haters" and the like still mention this old ass fight as if he hasn't figured out that people think this is the way to beat him and hasn't compensated for hit.
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I agree with you about Whitaker, I think he would have given Mayweather a nightmare, although Mayweather certainly wouldn't be an easy fight for him either.

The reason why I believe that intelligent pressure is the best way to beat Mayweather is due to the fact that sitting back and trying to box with him is virtually suicide for the majority of fighters, past or present. When you enter Mayweather's realm (trying to box him from the outside) you'd better have blistering speed combined with slick technique/timing and a strong mentality in order to stand a chance. Judah had the speed and decent timing, but he didn't have the skills or mentality. When Mayweather adjusted to him after the first two or three rounds, Judah was completely lost, and his speed and ability meant nothing at that point. He didn't have a plan B, because he's an idiot -- when his plan A failed, the only thing he could do was to keep trying plan A anyway, which is why he'll never be a great fighter, because great fighters adapt in the ring and in the moment at hand, like Mayweather himself.

People who could sit back and box with Mayweather and beat him at his own game (such as, to give a few examples, Hearns, Leonard and Whitaker) simply don't come along often enough. I can't see anyone out there at the moment who should even think of trying to outbox Mayweather.

PRproud · Dec 12, 2007

cdub1012 said:

it will.... the DLH interview was on foxsportsnet an ive seen 2 diffrent posts from cottos camp it was in like the san juan star .... one was with evangalista an one from cotto
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Now that's some good news , i read something in El Nuevo Dia, but nothing for sure, seems like they started to talk:thumbsup

cdub1012 · Dec 12, 2007

yea im almost posotive there already negotiating ... but you no how they never go public with that kinda stuff.... plus DLH knows its a winnable fight an if he wins hes back in the spotlight an really geard up an pumped for mayweather fight.... an cotto knows its a winnable fightan if he looses hes rich as hell... but if he wins he gets catapulted into superstardom get paid an is gearded up for mayweather... so both fighters have a chance... one to get back to the top of boxing an one who is jus in reach of it

Outboxer · Dec 12, 2007

One possible weakness someone could exploit is the way Mayweather sometimes throws a right straight and then instantly falls into a clinch -- I remember seeing it against Judah as well as Hatton, and if someone times a counter (say, the uppercut) for when he tries to fall into a clinch, it could do real damage. Problem is that he's so quick that it's hard to do it even if you know the punch-clinch combo is coming.

cardstars · Dec 12, 2007

Sounds like you are describing Cotto....

Outboxer · Dec 12, 2007

I can't see Cotto winning, to be honest -- he was stunned more than once by Judah's counters (who Mayweather is just as fast as and FAR more skilled than), and an old, past his prime Mosley boxed his ears off at certain points. I think Mayweather would take him apart.

marzblkman · Dec 12, 2007

I wouldn't care if Pacquiao was Floyd's size, he's too fundamentally flawed and we saw how when someone boxes him and uses and effective jab and attack can nullify him (Morales coming off a loss no less) and JMM.

The next person that'll be built up "he can beat Floyd" is Juan Diaz.

This is actually a fight in two years I'd like to see. By then Juan will be have saturated to welter.

Also, you guys will disagree with me on this and I don't think he'll beat him NOR will the fight happen because it's not a $$$$ fight. But I think that Cory Spinks if he can stay focused can give Floyd problems and poses a STYLE issue why?? He has a good committed jab, he circles the ring opposite to where Floyd "LIKES" to move. (Floyd usually dictates the movment in most fights).

Most of all, he'll force Floyd to be the attacker. It'll be a matter if Spinks can stand up to Floyd. What makes me believe he can is he danced (albeit literally) with a real middleweight so why would Floyd be an issue?

The winner would be the person who forced the fight.

chimba · Dec 12, 2007

should bring a blunt object in the ring..a baseball bat will do but he might roll with that too... a knife will be a better choice

brooklyn1550 · Dec 12, 2007

I don't think there is a fighter out there now who possesses all of those qualities. Roberto Duran did, but that's neither here or there.

The only fighter than comes close right now is Miguel Cotto. I've thought long and hard about this one, and to be honest, he's the guy who can beat Mayweather. I'd give Cotto a MUCH better chance than I gave Hatton, Baldomir, or Judah.

Outboxer · Dec 13, 2007

brooklyn1550 said:

I don't think there is a fighter out there now who possesses all of those qualities. Roberto Duran did, but that's neither here or there.

The only fighter than comes close right now is Miguel Cotto. I've thought long and hard about this one, and to be honest, he's the guy who can beat Mayweather. I'd give Cotto a MUCH better chance than I gave Hatton, Baldomir, or Judah.
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Duran vs Mayweather would be brilliant..pity it can never happen, would have loved to see this match.

El Bombasto · Dec 13, 2007

Outboxer said:

Will need:

Stamina to fight all of 12 rounds at a high pace, just like Mayweather himself.

A long stiff jab like De La Hoya, to use while coming in.

The courage/tenacity of Ricky Hatton.

The ability to soak shots up like Baldomir.

Intelligent pressure, ala Roberto Duran.

Constant bobbing and weaving as you close the distance, Joe Frazier style, to negate those sharp counters as best as possible while landing your own firepower.

And of course, at least average speed of both hands and feet to actually land punches in the first place and to bull him against the ropes/cut off the ring.

..Is there anyone out there who has all of these qualities? Because if there isnt, Mayweather is going to either retire unbeaten or only lose after his speed and reflexes have eroded due to age, and even then it wont be easy due to his very solid technical foundation.
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floyd is most likely within 3 fights of retiring for good. so, it's unlikely he'll step in the ring with anyone (like paul williams) that's any kind of a threat to beat him

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