Apparently, Floyd beats Forrest at 154. Why don't ya'll tell me how...

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  1. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    ...cuz a lot of ya'll don't have a clue.

    The majority of response from Floyd fanatics, and I don't mean knowledgeable fans, but FANATICS was that Floyd would counterpunch the **** out of Forrest by boxing off the back foot.

    That is ridiculous. You got a guy who's giving up an inch of reach and four inches of height going up against a slick boxer who isn't prone to making mistakes, and he's going to counterpunch the **** out of him?

    Sugar Shane who was PfP #1 and looked to be unbeatable at the time, was a 7/1 favorite against Forrest, tried boxing off the back foot against Forrest. Shane had Forrest beat in the speed department in every single category, foot and hand, yet was unable to land anything effective on Forrest.

    Why?

    Because while Forrest was the slower man, he was a skilled, slick counterpuncher, not prone to making mistakes, and most importantly had a considerable size advantage.

    The result was a one sided decision in favor of Forrest that may have went the other way, had Mosley decided to fight more and box less.

    Mayorga proved that Forrest didn't particularly care for pressure, and Ike Quartey had similiar success when he fought against Forrest as well.

    But as far as Floyd is concerned, many believe that not only would he win today by using that tactic, but that he would have beaten Forrest in his prime.

    Well here's another example from another historical perspective.

    Years ago, Papa Mayweather got in the ring with a guy that was a larger counterpuncher like Forrest, and attempted to box him off his back foot. The man's name was Leonard, and the result was a one sided beating in favor of the bigger man.

    Where do ya'll think they come up with, "A skilled big man beats a skilled little man?"

    Do you think they just magically pulled that out of their ass? Forrest isn't a face foward brawler, he's not Margarito, he's a SKILLED BIG MAN with A CONSIDERABLE size advantage over Floyd.

    Since I was talking about Leonard, let me give you another example.

    Leonard met a guy who had similiar characteristics when he fought Hearns; however, Leonard pressed the fight and it was absolutely pivotal to his success. This fight alone is the majority reason of why Leonard is considered to be one of the greatest fighters of all time.

    Imagine if he decided to box off his back foot for the entire fight. I'll tell you one thing, it would not have had the same result and probably would have ended faster with Hearns raising his hands in victory.

    And yes, Forrest is no Hearns, but Mayweather is no Leonard, ESPECIALLY at his highest weight of 154.

    So Floyd fanatics in my mind are crazy to assume that Floyd has more explosive power than Mosley, regardless of whether he's better at defense, that would be necessary to repeatedly counter and tag Forrest who has a considerable size advantage and fights out of a counterpuncher's lean.

    That's **** is just baffling to me.

    And you know what, I understand that Floyd is adaptable, and I accept the fact that Floyd may decide to put his hands up, move his head, and take the fight inside, but if his recent fights are any indication of what he would do, he probably would take NO risks.

    Not to mention the fact that I've seen very little combinations being thrown at 147 and up, which would be pivotal to his success against a guy like Forrest.

    Even when Oscar started to tire in the fight with Mayweather, and Roger Mayweather was yelling for Floyd to let his hands go, Floyd was reluctant to do so.

    The fact is, in Floyd's recent fights he has taken NO risks, so I feel confident picking Forrest over Floyd given Floyd's most recent peformances.

    That's not to say that he couldn't be the aggressor and win with his faster hands, I'm just saying he probably wouldn't. In fact, he would never take this fight as it is too much risk, too little reward.

    And some of ya'll are going to bring up Mora, but with Mora you have a guy who has the same reach and same height as Forrest, and while not as skilled, could pull off the kind of upset you witnessed against a "can't get up for this guy" Vernon Forrest.

    You can have those kind of outcomes when you have to counterpunchers fighting one another with the same size, when both are completely unwilling to press the fight.

    In the second fight, Vernon Forrest proved that while he isn't the same fighter that beat Mosley, he also wasn't completely shot in decisively beating Mora.

    And lastly why is this an important fight? Because Floyd has never been in the ring with a SKILLED COUNTERPUNCHER with a SIZE ADVANTAGE.

    And you can say Oscar all you want, but Oscar did NOT fight Mayweather like a counterpuncher, was never that great of a counterpuncher in the first place, and chose to be the aggressor.

    Not to mention, a year later a former featherweight beat the **** outta Oscar.

    Anyway, Vote on the poll and comment on the thread.
     
  2. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Forrest would use his hands and punch Mayweather.
     
  3. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    And ya'll saying that Sugar Shane was never a boxer make me sick. Mother ****er is slick as hell, ESPECIALLY when he fought Forrest. You don't get called sugar for leaving a sour taste in a mother ****ers mouth.
     
  4. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are pathetic.

    By the way, I think Floyd whips his ass. And I am by no means a Floyd fanatic. I ain't even really a Floyd fan.
     
  5. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Pathetic is being gay for a man.
     
  6. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are pathetically gay for Floyd. You are obsessed.
     
  7. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Man, you offer no constructive input on anything. Basically you're here just to be gay for some dude. ****, you're the first mother ****er when someone says that Floyd isn't unbeatable, yet you don't have anything to say except for some childish insults.

    To me, that's suspect behavior.
     
  8. Pro

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    Man get the **** outta here!!!!!

    Based off his recent fights he's still undefeated????

    And since he's never lost how can you point out what's right and what's wrong about his game or what he would or wouldn't do???

    I know for a fact that there is a way to beat Vernon Forrest...3X

    This is the same Vernon Forrest who lost to Sergio Mora???
     
  9. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Suspect behavior is everytime I turn my goddamn computer on and come to this page, you have made a pathetic post looking to discredit a man who has done things your favorite boxer can't even think about.

    And you call me suspect? Youz a dumb motha****a...
     
  10. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    Some old tired, bull**** just a different day...Man, you made the exact same thread just yesterday...Why are you so ****ing obsessed with this guy?...I see you must didnt get the answer you was looking for so you make the exact same thread.:verysad
     
  11. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    My point is, to have a chance against Forrest, he would have to ADAPT.

    So yeah, the Floyd you know him as, you know when you're practicin the shoulder roll in the mirror before your brush your teeth, wouldn't work with Forrest.

    But yet, ya'll wanna tell me that reach, heigh, style aside, Floyd would continue to do what he did against Baldomir, Hatton, and Oscar, and just counterpunch the **** outta Forrest.

    It just shows to me that ya'll have a lack of knowledge of boxing, but furthermore that ya'll don't even understand Floyd to the fullest yet ya'll act like you know what time he wakes up every morning and goes to sleep at night.
     
  12. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Nah, it's just that the answers I received were completely illogical gay for some dude fanatic type ****.

    Really, that's what I expected, especially from ya'll that wanted to talk **** right off the bat when I didn't initiate a damn thing but an educated analysis.
     
  13. errsta

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    Floyd wins this in a lopsided UD.

    If Forrest makes this a boxing match, he gets horribly outboxed. If Forrest decides to apply pressure he gets horribly outboxed.
     
  14. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    So you make the exact same thread? Thanks for proving my point!:-(

    PATHETIC! :verysad


    And thats what we expect from a guy that has female tendicies...Floyd must have pimp ya wife or ya girl...You sound like a bitter *****. I mean for you to sit here to bring up Vernon Forrest like he is a big threat just speaks loudly about your character yet you want to call Floyd's fans out...Dude why dont you take a look in the mirror...There is a reason why Floyd didnt fight Vernon....Vernon was not the best Jr Middlewieght around the time Floyd fought for the 154 belt yet you come up with this long dried out post on why Floyd didnt fight him...You're truly sad dude...Just get over it...You aint dictating **** but the words you type, so stop acting like you're KING ALIMIGHTY.
     
  15. TheSweetScience

    TheSweetScience Linares the next ATG!!! Full Member

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    If you are talking Forrest before he fought Mayorga than yeah maybe he has a shot against floyd