Apparently SHOWTIME DOES NOT want to broadcast Wilder-Stiverne 2..

I'm not but It's hard being a Wilder fan. I wanted these fights with Povetkin and Ortiz to come off. It's time for him to step up and prove himself. It's very frustrating.

 

You're wrong.

Hearn is on very good terms with Haymon.
Look at Jacobs, signed with Matchroom, still with Haymon

You dont understand this business part.

Haymon fighters DONT HAVE PROMOTERS, they deal with whoever Al tells them on a fight by fight basis.

Eddie wants to fill in that blank spot

Deontay will make way more money than he makes now if he signs with Hearn.

He already got a 4M OFFER

Like Danny Jacobs said " Its a no brainer to sign with Matchroom"

 

Only thing for him to do is to keep knocking out what is put in front of him. On top of those drug cheats backward ducking pissing hot there's AJ and Parker outright ducking. Heavyweight division isn't deep with top fighters, there's a a lack of dangerous prospects and a huge middle ground of fighters like Whyte, Jarrell Miller, Breazeale and the like that can beat each other and make good fights but aren't capable of beating the top of the division. So the question is who is Wilder going to step up to that's willing to fight?

I'd rather talk about the why than to sit back, food not on the table, so I curse my parents in a petulant child manner like most of the forum. If daddy killed people for a living but he put food on the table the child is happy. We're adults we should care about why. Easy to sit back and pout you know.

 

Hearn wants options. That’s what “filling that blank spot” is. Once he signs that, he has lost negotiating power.

Jacobs isn’t a heavyweight champ who would be giving up bargaining power on a unification.

If all Eddie wants to do is promote Wilder vs. Whyte, no strings attached, no options to promote future Wilder fights, he should make that offer for early next year when Wilder has disposed of Stiverne as the mandatory.

The OFFER includes options as promoter. Which means Eddie would be dictating things. That’s unacceptable to Wilder and Haymon. They are much better as free agents when it comes to negotiating for a unification with AJ (who is now saying he needs another 18 months or more to be ready for Wilder, btw).

 

“Apparently” Showtime will be televising the fight, which means the OP is full of spit.

They aren’t doing so under coercion or penalty of death. They made the decision to put it on their network, so obviously they want to televise it.

 

Wilder wont lose anything because he already doesnt have any negocitiating power. All he got is that belt. Haymon will always be by his side whenever he gets a contract to sign, that wont change.

If Hearn wouldn't get along with Haymon, Danny Jacobs wouldn't have signed with Matchroom.

Hearn is already gunning for other Haymom guys, such as Spence


Joseph Parker of New Zealand is already making more dough than Deontay, has a belt too

By the end of May next year there will be a Cruiserweight Champ that made more money from boxing than America's Heavyweight champ.

A Cruiserweight !!!

Let that sink in


What negociating power does Deontay have ?

He has none, all he's got is a belt for sale, he has no name recognition, no fanbase, no promoter to put his name out there

 

Precisely

OP is full of it

 

LOL. If that’s true, Hearn can offer him a one fight deal for $4M and won’t ask for options because why would he want options on a guy with no possibility of drawing?

I don’t think Parker has made more money than Wilder. I’d ask you to provide proof of that. His own promoter went broke on the fight in his own country, New Zealand, which they unwisely went through with when Hughie pulled out.

Which cruiserweight is going to be making millions? I missed that. How much did that cruiserweight make in his last fight?

And Jacobs is on the outside looking in. GGG and Canelo are fighting again. He has no options and NEEDS whatever Hearn throws his way. Wilder is WBC champ and is in a far different position.

He may have gotten a singular decent payday to fight Fury in England because Fury’s promoter made a bad gamble that they could buy/steal a belt that way. And hardly anyone showed up or bought the pathetic youtube PPV.

The “only” thing Wilder has is the belt that AJ needs to be a unified champ. That IS bargaining power. You’ll see when he goes to England and collects a huge purse to fight AJ in a unification (if AJ’s nuts drop and he doesn’t stop talking about “I need to wait until 2020 because Wilder turned pro before I did” lol). That and Wilder’s record and knockout percentage can be promoted.

Him beating Whyte, who lost the only meaningful fight he’s ever been in and claims a disputed split against shopworn trial horse Chisora as his “biggest” win (you think that is negotiating or drawing power lol?) would do nothing to enhance his bargaining power for an AJ unification, ESPECIALLY if he has to sign with AJ’s promoter to fight Whyte.

 

Funny quality comment. Keep it up.

 

IMO Hearn wants to build Deontay vs AJ as a mega fight in the UK.

The Dillian fight is a winnable fight for Deontay. Easy 4M. That sets up a future showdown with AJ.

75% of 3M $$$ is already more than Deontay's largest paycheck.

Parker's promoter isnt big and they dont have hedge fund money either, but that didnt spot them to make good money in the UK fight.

10M is the reported prize for each of the winner of the WBSS tournaments.

Deontay has to fight 10 bums to be gifted that amount of money. I say gifted because Deontay himself doesnt draw anything, he's basically unknown in the States

Hearn is a smart dude, why should he give DiBella free money. DiBella doesnt do anything, he just gets on a stage, says a few words, signs a paper and collects

Hearn wants that share of money also. He wont put his hands in Haymon's pocket, you crazy ? Plus he sees that UK market is nuts right now for boxing, so it would be smart for him to sign more Heavies.

Seems to that everyone wins. ( except Lou )

 

Ah one last thing


AJ is already unified

Deontay isnt. And wont be anytime soon

 

None of that changes the fact that Hearn wanted multiple options on Wilder to fight Whyte. So the $4M wasn’t just for a fight with Whyte, it was for a piece of Wilder’s future and the right to make a unification with AJ on HIS terms rather than on Wilder’s.

If Haymon thought it was in Wilder’s best interest, he would have recommended it.

It’s in Wilder’s best interest to walk into a unification fight with AJ as WBC champion with no ties to AJ’s promoter. That’s a conflict of interest that’s NEVER going to work in his favor.

Here’s a big piece of the puzzle: DiBella is the one who played hardball with the Russians over the Povetkin fight. They wanted to submit samples to a nameless European lab. Not even to have them collected by an independent agent, just send in your own sample (which could be anyone’s ****). DiBella forced the WBC to enforce VADA testing, which prevented multiple time cheat Povetkin from getting away with being loaded to the gills with PEDs.

DiBella ALSO got World of Boxing, the Russian promotion, to GUARANTEE Povetkin’s appearance free of PEDs in the contract. (A tactic, btw, used by the same Russian promoter to get a judgment against Don King when one of his fighters tested positive.) THAT was the basis of the lawsuit which proved before a jury that Povetkin did, indeed, take a banned substance and which resulted in a judgment of five million in Wilder’s favor, which he will collect for that fight.

Of COURSE Hearn wants DiBella out of the way. You know and I know that there’s no way Hearn wants to sign a contract that makes him financially liable if/when AJ is popped when VADA drug testing starts for a fight with Wilder. That probably scares Hearn and AJ and British boxing itself to the very core of their souls ... that AJ will be tested frequently at the highest levels by an agency that’s been catching cheats left and right.

So there’s a lot more at stake than you want to make it.

Again, if Hearn wants to simply promote Wilder vs. Whyte, he can offer $4M with NO options on future defenses if Wilder wins.

If he wants to promote a unification between Wilder and AJ, he’s not going to be able to sit on both sides of the table and negotiate with himself.

 

No problem man, let Deontay fight for peanuts compared to AJ. The 4M against Whyte we're only for that fight. More $$$ was coming and I doubt his purses would've decresead. Keep on winning and 4M $$$ is just the beggining.
Haymon wasnt against Hearn's offer. If he would've been, we would've never heard about it. You think Hearn bypassed Haymon and went straight for negotiations with DW ? HA !

Remember Deontay asking for 7M lool, because 4M was the amount that " fresh champ Martin got"...Wilders words.
He rejected the offer, not Haymon. Al is all for that kind of money because he'll take a %

And let hotshot promoter DiBella do Broadway shows again . I heard he's restarted them .
What a guy !! The boxing world needs more guys like Lou and less like Hearn lol

 

Boxing needs all kinds of promoters. Without lower level shows you don’t develop fighters for big shows, so I don’t understand your point.

Go back and listen to what Wilder said. He refered to $7M with “all those conditions,” which was clarified later to mean Hearn wanted options on Wilder.

Hearn is the one who came out and whined about it, but carefully avoided mentioning that he wanted options on Wilder. Why is that?

If Haymon advised it, Wilder would have done it. He obviously didn’t.

Better to be on one side of the negotiating table opposite Hearn to get not just the money (and not get shorted because Hearn overpaid for a Whyte defense to get options) but also the VADA conditions and get Hearn to guarantee his man will be clean and make the promoter legally responsible for that, so he can make sure AJ has a clean camp. That’s what it’s all about.

You honestly think Wilder vs. AJ won’t net Wilder more than $4M? I’ll take a ban bet with you right now that if they sign to fight, Wilder’s purse will be more than $4M.

 

Un-freakin-believable!. . . . Don King and Jose Sulaimin liked to go to Tijuana donkey shows together and when King blackmailed him and threatened to expose the WBC czar he was offered a lifetime of favors. Mauricio complies.