Applied Pressure Is One Of The Biggest Fluke Concepts In Boxing...

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you see my point.... the concept of "applied pressure" or whatever its called is TOTALLY subjective..... because at the end of the day its just about the victory or loss....the only thing at the end of the day that defines the pressure is the outcome of the fight

    you could cut off the ring great and all that stuff and still lose and lose bad
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    you could just chase your opponent down doing a bad job of cutting off the ring and beat the **** out of someone


    ayo **** that... you came out throwing insults... dont try to take this higher road bull**** on me now... you came out the first post talking ****
     
  2. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Hatton was able to get to Mayweather not so much due to his own footwork, but rather Floyd's lack thereof. He backed up in straight lines (where Hatton was content to follow him) and purposely fought off the ropes looking for countering opportunities. Floyd, aside from a few fights, has never shown excellent footwork in the first place. Hatton had fast feet, and was a mauler, which is why he was so often able to get to his man. He'd grab, clinch, and proceed to put in his work from there. And my reasons for including Hatton have more to do with his completely porous defense than anything else. The Pacquiao fight was just embarassing from start to finish.

    Diaz, on the other hand has shown excellent use of angles in quite a few of his fights. Not a great fighter by any means, but his footwork on the inside has always been impressive. Watch the way he befuddles Katsidis with his angles on the inside.
     
  3. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I understand what you mean about Hatton but the very fact that he always left himself wide open coming in shows its not that effective against talented boxers. As for him cutting off the ring, its good but he basically use to bounce on his opponent a little too much for my taste..
     
  4. Sweet Pea

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    :lol:Well I guess ignorance is bliss, so what did I expect?
     
  5. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    exactly... see what im saying....

    you cannot put pressure in little compartments by calling good pressure "applied" pressure and bad pressure ...

    everyone has a different style and there cant ever be a clear cut definition on it...


    for example

    margarito (by your guys definition) of pressure is horrendous... he goes in with his face out and takes a lot of damage... but at the same time until he met shane mosley it was extremely effective for him

    are you guys starting to understand what im saying? the whole concept of "applied pressure" is purely based on the outcome of the fight



    shut up dog... like honestly.... you ruin my forum experience... if you dont like what i have to say... click that x in the top right corner.... other wise act like a grown man not a little ****ing kid
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    Then get the **** out. Pretty simple solution.:good
     
  7. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know what you mean but the end result doesn't have anything to do with the way the pressure is applied as far as I'm concerned. Margarito didn't really need to apply intelligent pressure because he could take everything thrown at him..that's all !

    Arturo Gatti didn't win his matches because of intelligent pressure but because his heart and courage overtook his opponents.

    Intelligent pressure : The key words are minimum damage coming in with maximum results once there..but it doesn't guarantee a win !
     
  8. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    everyone does a good job of "applied" pressure until they lose

    margarito
    hatton
    juan diaz
    angulo

    there will always be someone to break down this so called "applied" pressure... and when that happens "applied" pressure is all the sudden "stupid pressure"

    imo its all the same... either it works or it doesnt

    *****! you in my thread

    so then why put it into compartments?

    any great pressure fighter will be that.... a great pressure fighter...
    until a great technical boxer hands them their ass

    then their "applied pressure" is stupid pressure
     
  9. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    You're terrible. MAyorga used beyond horrible pressure and beat the man that many thought may have a shot against Floyd had he not died.
     
  10. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thats my whole point.... you can not jam "pressure" into compartments because you can be what people say is "horrible" at pressure fighting... yet still have successful results


    your agreeing with what im saying and i think you missed it
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    How it works all depends on the level of the opponent. If you apply impeccable pressure technically, it's going to take a very high level of fighter who brings something else to the table to deal with you. If you're a guy like Margarito who relies mainly on his stamina and durability, you'll eventually be exposed at the highest level, regardless of the success you have against lower tier opponents. Again, this is the case with every style, not just pressure. Saying pressure doesn't depend on how it's applied is like saying any other style, and in essence the sport of boxing doesn't depend on how it's applied.
     
  12. BENNY BLANCO

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    Without realizing it you made WWM point. I do agree with WWM to a certain extent.
     
  13. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thats what im saying though.... there has been no perfectly unbeatable pressure fighter as far as i know...

    thats why im saying either you have successful results with pressure or you don't.. but to try put pressure in compartments prior to a fight is stupid imo


    if hatton beat floyd his pressure would have been great
    if hatton lost (which he did) his pressure was stupid

    you either are successful while using pressure
    or unsucecssful
     
  14. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm getting lost for words because I thought I made it very simple...

    Margarito always applied unintelligent pressure his entire career but his chin enabled him to dominate at a weight class where he was huge ! The Mosley loss has nothing to do...

    Using any compartments of your game in order to absorb the least amount of damage coming inside while enabling yourself to distribute the most possible !
     
  15. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Nah you missed the your own point.


    What you're trying to say is Intelligent pressure is a fluke..clearly the answer is no and then you go on talking about the randomness of results.