Applied Pressure Is One Of The Biggest Fluke Concepts In Boxing...

It's like this WWM - Michael Katsidis used to win fights using unintelligent pressure. He won, because he was stronger and tougher than his opponents. He won in spite of his pressure being applied unintelligently. Any pressure at all from someone with his strength and toughness advantages over these types of opponents was going to be enough to beat these types of opponents.

Then he ran into a couple of career snags. Reevaluated.

He then beat Escobedo - a higher level opponent than any of those he'd beaten using his old style - by applying very intelligent pressure.

 

Yeah, pretty much I think. I guess if you had a great counter-puncher taking away the effectiveness of a pressure fighter for 11 rounds, then the pressure fighters catches them in the 12th, .........well nevermind...even then someone would say well...the pressure wore down the other guy and got to him finally...

 

floyd the only stick and mover hatton ever faught save malignagi. ecxept when malignagi faught hatton he tried to stick too much and sit down on his punches. plus malignagi was heavily featuring a meaningless shoulder bopping that he does. it's like a baseball player having a hitch in his swing.

 

How about the Thrilla in Manilla. Fraizer applied good pressure but lost the fight? Why cant pressure be good pressure but a fighter loses the fight?

Just a question no need for the flame.

 

I think the more appropriate term is "effective pressure". "Intelligent pressure" seems to denote a higher learning, as if there is intelligence involved in it. Example, Tyson's bob and weave style of fighting in his prime is a very effective pressure because it negated his obvious disadvantage, which was size and reach, while at the same time maximized his obvious one which was power, The bob and weave allowed him to close distances against rangier and bigger opponent in order for him to throw his punches. But does that entail intelligence, probably or question mark, however, was it effective, definitely.

Another example, let us dissect Ricky Hatton's clinch , or grapple then punch technique. The technique actually negated his obvious deficiency which was technique or many call here as "sweet science" (another misnomer because definitely there is no science involved in it) while maximizing his obvious limitation which was his reach. Therefore, it was an effective technique or you could say an intelligent one because even though Hatton had limited skillset, he was so successful against 40 something opponenets.

 

There are definitely techniques for applying pressure that are intelligent or less so, win or lose in a fight. You can lose because your opponent is simply more talented, it doesn't automatically mean you were sloppy and fought a bad fight, and just because you won it doesn't mean your technique was good either.

I wouldn't take the term 'intelligent' too literally either, just like many boxing terms are kinda whacky. People don't actually have jaws made of glass and intelligent pressure does not mean the guy is Isaac Newton.

 

I think there are two sides to the argument... though i tend to lean towards the fact that "effective pressure" really is dependant on how good ur opponent is.

In which pressure fighters cant always use the same "pressure" methods or style in every fight. They must tweak that style to suit every opponent they face.

like a poster mentioned before frazier , foreman both used wat would be considered effective pressure against ali yet still lost. Ali was simply too good in nullifying and adapting to that pressure. Against any other opponent they would have had the W next to their names.

 

i aint even gonna finish the thread

 

Sweet pea wrote a beautiful post!! He told you whats what walkwithme!! successful pressure= julio cesar chavez, uneffective pressure= hatton and he gave you a definition of both!!! END OF THREAD.... NEXT

 

pathetic thread, don't want to be disrespectfull but you sound like you don't understand boxing or at least the styles and the intricacies.

intelligent pressure? go watch JC Chavez career set or James Toney against Micheal Nunn

just pressure, go watch ricky hatton pancaked in his last fight

thats the difference my friend!

edit: someone beat me to it

 

Roberto Duran.

 

No it isn't. Just because Margarito wins doesnt mean his method of pressure makes it intelligent. It just means that his method of pressure works for him because he has a freakish IRON CHIN.

Maybe if he had some good footwork, feints and head movement his normal method of pressure would be THAT much better...

And the outcome of a fight never says **** about how good a fighter is at what he does, but rather the size of his will and heart and how he used this with the tools that he had.

Margarito is just that. A come forward typical Mexican fighter with a whole lot of heart and will. His skill was decent, but his assests of chin and stamina were levels above normal. Making him a glorified contender/journeyman.