Applied Pressure Is One Of The Biggest Fluke Concepts In Boxing...

I can understand what you meant, WWM. You're right in a way, although the complainers are right as well. We get alot of arguments in our community over split perception. For me you're talking about the highest level, some of these other folks are speaking more generally.

 

Pretty much. It just depends on how you're saying it I think. You directly alluded to fighters who have successfully applied pressure at times, and then been accused of applying unintelligent pressure at different times. For me, your argument holds water.

I can also agree with the guys who say Hatton is a good-bad example of this, but then again Hatton plowed through more than 40 guys with his style. Just because he got put to sleep by Superman and Spiderman doesn't mean... You know the rest.

 

The only thing dont agree with is the every pressure fighter is great till they lose theory that's like saying every p4p power-puncher had power till they didn't knock a guy out its false Duran, JCC, Frazier, Armstrong etc were great pressure fighters regardless if occasionally a opponent beat them.

 

walk with me, you explain things like a true rickety hatton fan. i feel your pain. that kid was great fun.
talk about a great pressure fighter, you can see one this saturday. arreola. you heard me say it. remember that.

 

"intelligent pressure" = Calzaghe

"reckless pressure" = Valero

 

No Chavez pressure fighting is A-grade and he was beaten by Pea.

Frazier could not have fought a better pressure fight than he did against Ali in the Thrilla and he lost.

Win lose or draw...Hatton and Margarito are horrible pressure fighters. They receive far too much punishment coming in.
　
Of course if you win presuring an opponent then it's effective....but it doesn't make it intelligent.
The way Froch boxes has thus far been effective...but it doesn't make it technical. It's the same thing.

 

There you go... Hatton may have "plowed" through many people, but he also ate shot after shot while doing it. Eamonn Magee wrote the blueprint on beating Hatton, and forced him to box because Hatton got cracked every time he came in, and floored in the first 30 seconds of the fight wtih a counter punch.

 

Hatton's pressure is effective, but neither intelligent nor technical!!!

He's basically just a come forward brute, there's no subtlety to his plan and not a lot of foot or head movement coming in!!! It's basically just charge forward and left-hook!!!

Tyson and Frazier both bobbed and weaved to great effect to get inside and if you look at the subtlety of both Duran and Chazev coming forward...tell me there's no difference to the way Hatton comes forward??

I agree it's a subjective point, but it would be like saying Wladimir has the best defence in boxing because nobody has landed a clean punch on him in years. The way he fights in defensively effective, but it isn't technical in the way Floyd's is!!!

 

This whole thread is a ****ing joke the creater really needs to stop making random post about **** he has no idea about WWM you just started to follow this sport and this whole thread is a I wanna suck on Floyds **** thread nothing more.....

Dont hate on those who have hte balls to take risk and pressure fighters just becuase some of the fighters you like do not.... seriously I have a question do you even think before you post **** like this?

 

The OP and all the rest of us should first of all agree on the terms used to define what we mean..

Effective pressure : It can be intelligent or not.

- You can get hit all you want but still unload your own punches to tire and punish your opponent as much or more than he does to you. (Not Intelligent pressure)

- You can find ways to get inside consistently to deliver your blows while absorbing the least possible in return. (Intelligent pressure).

The end result is what determines if the pressure was good or bad (worked or not), but it doesn't define your original question of intelligent or not...that's the difference !

P.S.: Originally your main ''Thread Line'' was Intelligent Pressure not ''Applied Pressure''..

 

classic thread

 

Uh, there's a big difference. Unintelligent pressure would be Ricky Hatton charging head-first, hands down in a straight line walking into punches just to get the fight in close. Intelligent pressure is working behind a good Jab and using footwork to cut the ring off and move the opponent back onto the ropes and into the corners to unleash power shots.