April 13th, Wembley

Every fight a boxer has could possibly be their last. There is a huge risk to getting in the ring and they deserve to be paid well for it. Fury and Wilder have demonstrated that there is money to be made away from Joshua. Whyte has had a couple of PPV fights off his own back. I don’t really care about Miller.

 

That's a given and a risk every boxer takes, not just elite heavyweights. The difference is these guys are being offered multiple millions, not £30k for a British title fight. A sense of perspective is important.

 

Fury and Wilder have proved there is money to be made away from Joshua. Neither have proved they're capable of making Joshua money though. Joshua was paid more for fighting Carlos Takam than Fury earned fighting Wilder.

The same applies for every boxer going, crucially including Joshua. Wilder has had a career earning a couple of million dollars per fight. Joshua has earned more than £10m per fight since he fought Klitschko. It's clearly ridiculous to think Joshua should earn in the region of £25m for a Wilder fight but Wilder should earn £20m for example.

 

Joshua would also earn more money fighting Wilder or Fury than he would against a Pulev or Miller. The interest in the fights would be huge because of the match-up so both should benefit from it.

 

But you ignore the percentages. Why? Should Wilder expect somewhere in the region of ten times his highest payday if Joshua doesn't get double?

Some people on here seem to drastically overrate Wilder and Fury's popularity whilst for some reason suggesting Joshua is falling apart in terms of popularity.

 

Yep I am a risk manager so hopefully understand.
He apparently made offers to Wilder, Fury and Miller and they've all turned it down.
As I said it's a business, you have to have some idea of your value.

 

Wilder and Fury are otherwise engaged. Miller and Whyte aren't. What are they going to do, fight each other? Good luck with that.

Yes it's a business, but you have to have some idea of the value of the opportunity, which is far greater than any purse.

By the way, these guys have no idea of their value, they're plucking numbers out of thin air based on their perception of what Joshua makes.

 

Eh? 10 times his highest purse?
Didn't he get close to $20m for the Fury fight and probably double that for the rematch?
Are you trying to say he's asking for $200m plus???

Prior to the fury fight I can see what you are saying but he took a chance (risk v reward as the other poster would say) and drew a huge Ppv audience paying close to $100 each or whatever it is.

I don't like all these numbers in the forum, I just want to see the fights but after the last fight I'd expect them to get 500k plus ppvs next time.. And I'd expect the British Ppv figures to be healthy too.

 

Wilder got made an offer and weighed up the risk v reward as you say and decided to take the fury fight.
He was lucky to get the draw but in regards to his marketability it paid off.
If Frank is correct that fight generated more than AJs last fight and 300k American Ppv is not to be sniffed out.

Miller suggests NFL is more lucrative - that's his option.
You're right about White though.
I'm not a fan but from his PoV he'll say he has generated big Ppv numbers and doesn't think the current offers represent good value.

Btw where are you getting that Miller or White are thinking they'll win?
I don't give either more than 10% chance.

What happens with AJ? He'll want a fight...he hasn't fought since September and now possibly not till June.

He's told Hearn he wanted Wilder and he's not delivered.

 

Forget about previous purses, it shouldn’t even matter. Try to focus instead on what the fight would be worth if Wilder was the B side and what it would be worth if Pulev was the B side. Wilder (and Fury) bring value, they are loud and would attract much bigger interest to a Joshua fight than anyone else. It takes 2 fighters to make a fight.

This is a fact...4 fighter’s are turning a fight down with the man with 3 belts and huge following, why? It’s because he’s not respecting the value they bring and until he does he’ll just have to carry on knocking over fighters outside the top 4.

 

Ok then. Joshua v Fury makes more money than Joshua v Miller or Fury v Miller.

But, Joshua v Miller would still be a million PPV seller in a stadium with Joshua picking up £10m. Fury v Miller would be a Manchester Arena job with both men not making £5m between them.

So yes, Joshua makes a lot more in the Fury fight than he does elsewhere. But so does Fury. And we know how many times Fury has said he doesn't care about money...

 

That's a fair post. Although Fury would now fill Old Trafford in my opinion.

 

You think Fury v Miller for the title in the states doesn't generate £5m between them?? Seriously?

I'm sorry mate but not sure if you are on the level.
Both got big mouths and would sell it and if Fury wins in the rematch and draws £500k ppvs he will be building a solid American audience.

 

How though ?
If i do the maths, only Joshua-Parker and Joshua-Klitschko did better than Wilder-Fury

These are the numbers for the Wilder-Fury
Fight:
325K*75=24.3M

Then add in the UK PPV, Gate and the rest of the international pot, i believe you have around $35M in Total...

Why are you a despicable lier ?
Joshua will have to give 50/50 to Wilder and Fury whether he likes it or not, or he can stick to the oriignal plan of Whyte 2, Pulev, Miller and Usyk. And we’ll see a gradual decline of his revenue per fight

 

You're a crazy ******* Tony! You quickly scan over posts and make the rest up in your head. Forever putting words in people's mouths.

Nobody suggested Joshua's popularity was falling apart. It was said that his promoter was feeling a bit of heat to get Fury or Wilder in the ring. The drastic change of offers to both is evidence of that. No need to lose any sleep over it bud!