Arcel taught Holmes to jab properly

The plot thickens.....

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/mcvey-mendoza.274042/

Hmm, Tonto id created days before the April 2011 date...

What's going on ?

 

Benny Leonard is renowned as one of the most inquisitive and intuitive boxers ever. He would watch amateurs spar to see if he could pick up new moves.

And most of Duran's day in, day out training was actually overseen by the unsung Freddie Brown. Duran also had an instinct for fighting. He even said in his autobiography that he taught himself alot of moves as a youngster.

 

Man, that lightweight version of Duran was something. Buchanon had a terrific jab and used it while moving his feet. And Roberto got the better of him in the jab department. And that was getting the better of a world class jabber. Just beautiful to watch.

 

Yeah @Tonto62 is Mcvey. He’s already told me to put my head in an oven. It’s him.

What I want to know is Why Tonto? We have all seen a photo of the dear old chap, and Tonto does not spring to mind.

In Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish, "tonto" translates as "a dumb person", "moron", or "fool".

 

Total BS. Arcel was with Larry during his championship reign

 

Yeah, Larry jabbed well before he met Ray.

 

Saying all this though, Arcel was invaluable to have in a corner, and it'd be stupid to think otherwise.

 

Absolutely. Ray was always a good trainer. Good trainers are always invaluable to have around.

Personally I like him. He spoke clearly, was knowledgeable and was a man of honour.

 

Eddie Futch and Freddie Brown were also brought in

 

Didn’t Larry have all the old guys in his corner during the Cooney fight? I think it was Ray, Brown and Futch. It was like cocoon in there.

He took Gerry that seriously.

 

I think so. If I remember correctly he had the trio for a few fights. Then it was Futch who was left.

 

Duran always gave the credit to Freddie Brown for doing all the work. Arcel only came in 2 weeks befor the fight. Now that may have been different earlier in his career?

 

So did Qwai ( Braxton) who had a wonderful jab. He said it was all about timing and distance control.

 

https://www.gleasonsgym.com/gym-history "...The trainers, Patty Colovito, Freddie Brown, Chickie Ferrara and Charlie Galeta, to name a few, were there from morning until night six days a week. Back then a trainer could make a good living from boxing. That’s when there were a lot of clubs running and fighters could get all the work they wanted..."

Most of what is taught at our gym came from Patty Colovito and Gleason's. The people who started our gym in the 70s trained at Gleason's in the Bronx (50s-60s), brought back what they learned and taught us. The original trainers are no longer around, but what they taught for 20-45 years is. I suspect that Freddie Brown taught much the same as Colovito, Ferrara, and Galeta. I've seen a lot of boxing taught a lot of different ways over the years, I've seen number systems, and some systems that were extremely complicated, but we were taught a simple system that relies on correct body mechanics and good technique. I haven't found one I like better.

 

And in the other corner was ======Victor Valle. Wee bit of a difference there. As for management and promoter Don King vs Rappaport and Jones. That gap in braintrust is as wide as it gets in a big fight.

I flat out loved Holmes to beat the guy. But most folks don't consider pre fight tactics and strategy of a brilliant corner. And then compare it to the other side. what you seldom see is the crappy corner getting the win over the superior corner. but even switching corners, Larry still beats the guy.