Archie Moore on Charley Burley

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Burley didn't like Moore. There are stories that he delibertely protracted Archie's beating to punish him for his admitted cockiness. Whatever the truth of these stories the two later became pals. Here are some of Archie's thoughts on Burley:

    "Fighting Charley Burely was almost inhuman, because he kept his punches coming at you like a riveting gun beats a tattoo on a rivet. He was a human machinegun the way he kept those punches spouting out, and nerly as dangerous. He was the best fighter I ever fought and the best fighter I ever saw. I recall not being to impressed by Charley [before the fight], of course. I knew he had been scaring everybody to death on the coast. THere hd been stories about how he had chased heavyweight's out of the gym, stiffened sparring partners with the big training gloves. But you must take into account that i've never been burdened by false modesty.

    That night in Hollywood Burley did things i've never seen anybody else do...he got away with things that would have got another fighter killed. He kep this hands low and could feint you with his head, his hands, his shoulders, his knees...but the thing that sticks in my mind the most about Burley is the way he defied gravity. He could lean way back on his heels, it just made you miss. You'd figure: this man's way off balance, he can't break an egg from that position. Then you'd get the surprise. Burley could knock you dead from that position, and he could do it with either hand. I've been beaten in other fights - you look at my record, i've been in with a couple of hundred pro's - I was bound to drop a few. But I never lost like I lost to Burley.

    He had me on the floor many times, but more than that he outboxed me. That's something I could never understand, because nobody had ever done that to be before. And no-one, incidently, has done it since.

    I would say, personally, that I think Charley Burley could have beaten Ray [Robinson] in Ray's best time."


    Burley, giving up 5lbs t 155lbs, was credited with 9 of the 10 rounds.
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I read this stuff a long time ago and have since shelved it in some dusty attic of the brain. Thanks for dusting it off. Coming from the source that it is, really makes you wonder how great Burley was.
     
  3. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for posting. Very interesting read, especially on Burley's ability to punch with power while seemingly out of (power) position on the backfoot. Burley still turned on those shots though with Oakland Smith on the film.
    Funny thing that Moore it seemed, didn't praise Charles, like he did Burley.
    Cheers, McGrain.
     
  4. Rebel-INS

    Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy Full Member

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    Brilliant. Imagine seeing a prime Burley hammering Archie Moore like that?
     
  5. mcvey

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    Thanks for that very impressive ! :good
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Burley is 1 of my faves BUT was Moore pretty much pre-prime here? He has some very good wins but I have to ask that question and also how much does Moore build him due to the face he beat Moore badly himself?

    Also mentally once you've taken a beating from someone you build them into a mountain in your mind even when you've surpassed them by many leagues (not saying this is the case here, just speculating)
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Amazes me at how great Ezzard Charles must have been in turn, the way he took Burley apart.
     
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mhm, was undefeated in his series against both of them.

    Charles supposedly almost knocked Burley out, floored him as well.
     
  9. Thread Stealer

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    Moore also said that people often ask him who was the best fighter he ever faced, and he says Rocky Marciano to make them happy, but the best guys he faced were Charley Burley and Eddie Booker.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    Yet Moore rates Burley better.
     
  11. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Moore has said that he was in his prime when Burley beat him, but that's deceiving because that was his prime as a middleweight/super-middleweight. Moore didn't become a genuine light-heavyweight until a couple of years later, and his best years at that weight were just before he won the title.

    I also do agree that Burley gets a bit oversold based on statements like Moore's, and Eddie Futch, who claimed Burley was the best fighter he ever saw. IMO, he's an example of a fighter that gets rated more on reputation than actual achievements.

    Don't get me wrong, he was an excellent fighter, but the notion that he was a league above Ray Robinson is going overboard IMO. Ray would've taken him IMO.
     
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe he was. Who knows.

    Styles can make fights, and Burley often did fight in less then favorable circumstances.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I would love, love to have that fight on film. Maybe more than any other.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Yes. Barely. In my opinion Burley finished Moore's education. In fact, Moore says that himself, elsewhere, "Burley gave me a boxing education". For years I just thought that this was a turn of phrase, but it seems it may have been about right - Moore was not all he would become, perhaps, but he's in his physical prime with some top level fights under his belt.

    Note that Moore himself seems to have considered himself primed for the fight.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Yeah.

    Probably underated at middle generally, two great wins for Charles. Charles, though it hurts me to say it, is a class above Burley.

    But he's a class above everybody not named Robinson, Armstrong, Greb or Langford, basically.