Archie Moore versus Wladimir Klitschko's opposition

Wow. Such animosity is unbecoming. I'm merely posing counters to give context and different angles to the discussion. Another such argument would be to ask what is the difference in legacy if Wlad retires today or gets KO'd and retires tomorrow? Is he a different fighter? Certainly by many historians he would be judged as such. However, in reality, no. My point being that career management, knowing when to get out, is given a lot of credit in this legacy game. Marciano skipped town after only 7 years in the game. He is viewed by many as unbeatable. In fact, his legacy is not only built on skill and performance, but good career management.

The Ali comparison was brought to demonstrate that Wlad's longevity is quite exceptional. Tho he wasn't diagnosed until 84, many saw the damage in Ali in the late 70's. He was breaking down from sport. After the same number of fights, and absorbing adequate damage, Wlad continues to hold up well at the same stage.

Another fighter to examine would be Holyfield. Do we hold his loss to Ruiz against him? Does that grossly effect his legacy in observers' minds?

To be specific, Ali was diagnosed in '84.

 

jesus are you serious? please... moore was a natural lhw and he never had a great chin, haye and sam peter would knock him the **** out... once again overrating a fighter because he fought in the black and white days, he is not even joe louis or marciano, he was great but still a ****ing lhw you know?

 

:rofl

 

Ughh.. yeah, if this guy beats him, i would probably have to do some serious thinking. Jesus...

 

Moore should beat all of them but a few tough fights and he would win most of them closer than Vlad beat them

 

Ok if you say so

 

moore was a great lhw, but he was a great LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT... NOT HW. for example...marvin hagler was much greater than ron lyle or cleveland williams but they would destroy hagler..

 

Moore is my pick to beat them all not easily but to beat them yes
We will just not agree I think which is fine
I am not an oracle and have yet to be convinced anyone else is either
NOT EVEN MCGRAIN OR FLEA
Its all individual opinion

 

Another stupid thread but every single thread you people make are just as bad. Now matter how bad this guys were and how overrated Wlad is. All of these guys are much bigger than Moore. Moore was a blown up middle weight who decided to fight as light heavyweight and eventually cruiser weight. Moore couldn't take a punch either. He had heart to get up but a poor chin for going to down so often.

Each person named had a great chance of knocking out Moore.

 

ok it is fine...

 

i ****ing agree with you 100%

 

at hw? fighting at 185 pounds and facing 185 pounders like marciano? you are talking about full sized hws and super hws here.. different history

 

Of course you agree with me heavy_hands because you know your boxing. There are weight classes for reasons. You can put somebody like Sugar Ray Robinson in there with somebody like O"neil Bell and Bell would win every time because he is the naturally bigger man.

Ray Austin for example is what 6'5 plus and 240 pounds. That means he is naturally 80 pounds heavier than Moore and 7 or 8 inches taller. We both know Austin isn't a great heavyweight but he would lose to a blown up middle weight with a weak chin? No happening.

 

I WAS WAITING BY THIS ANSWER... james ****ing toney had iron chin and he could carry much better 217 pounds, moore weighed 185 and he was much more fragile than toney at hw. and it is about styles, toney had much better reflexes and he was elusive, and by far more durable, the toney who faced holyfield would give moore(hw version) a complete beating