Archie Moore vs. Joe Calzaghe?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Amsterdam, Sep 13, 2007.


  1. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones would be interesting, then against Calzaghe's left hook might crush him.

    Prime (aggressive) Hopkin's and a few others could do an ok survival job (based on their exceptional straight right), but would never be likely to win.


    Calzaghe might actually be better at 175 than 168, so I'll stay hush on the 175ers for now.
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    If he crushes Kessler and Dawson by way of definitive shutout/destruction, will you reconsider picking Bivins over him?:D
     
  3. Luigi1985

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    Amsterdam, don´t switch words. I didn´t write that Bivins would beat him, I said that he would have a chance, that´s a big difference...
     
  4. McGrain

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    I would I think.
     
  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then we can give Bivins a 5% chance vs Kessler.
     
  6. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Its criminal putting Calzaghe up against the "Ole Mongoose". He'd get distroyed inside six rounds. Archie could hit like a ton of bricks.
     
  7. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'd think two wins of that fashion over those two A level elite guys would at the very least solidify the arguments coming from Calzaghe fans.

    For the average person, it could at the very least rank him up there with Jones' ability on a H2H basis.

    Bivins would stand little chance to begin with. But maybe you all will see like Achilles does for the fight with Moore, lots of scenerio's, instead of just outright picking the current cemented ATG.
     
  8. McGrain

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    That should be 95%. If you are assigning a % to represent Bivins chance of winning.
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    But what I don't get is how you pick Joe over James Toney and claim it would be quite clear, but then act as if Dick Tiger and Bivins are less clear.

    All of the purists even agreed that Calzaghe has a nasty stylistic advantage over Tiger, just like he does over the defensively tentative counter puncher in James Toney(against speed). I think Toney is several steps up in terms of ability and skill from Tiger or Bivins.
     
  10. McGrain

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    If you read my post it's pretty even handed.
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I don't know McGrain, that Mikkel Kessler is pretty impressive. I've been watching a lot of him lately and he's a very complete fighter for his style, I could see him making a serious impact after the Calzaghe bout, win or lose.

    Bivins doesn't strike me as of Kessler's class in skill, or surprisingly, handspeed.
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I know, but it's not for the majority. Most wouldn't even admit 'interesting bout' at the very least.

    I have NO problem with anyone selecting Moore considering where we are coming from, but I have a problem with -

    'Calzaghe's fought noone, Moore by easy KO early'. As if it is a dead certainty that Calzaghe has no chance. This is where the underrated issue's come into play and why Calzaghe fans become so 'twisted'.:yep
     
  13. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In the same was as any loud-mouthed, self-publishising American fighters are overrated, it is a safe assumption any big name 'classic' fighter will be overrated too by the classic forum as a whole. Of course grudges against certain fighters leads to biases against them, from individuals.
     
  14. McGrain

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    I would tend to agree.

    Bivins has wins over Lloyd Marshall, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Billy Soose and an absolute peak Charley Burley. For me, these guys were all great fighters, maybe not Soose but the others for sure. He was a cute, clever, skilled boxer.
     
  15. McGrain

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    It's obviously not going to be "safe" to make any sweeping and all comsuming generalisation.