archie moore vs roy jones jr lightheavy....

and yet moore fought several sub-jones level fighters who were able to exploit his flaws. it's not laughable to think roy could win, nor is it laughable to think moore could knock him stiff. several options are possible, even probable but a fighter of roy's level being disregarded is preposterous

 

I don't do arrogant put downs (not intentionally anyway).

His Lt Heavy comp was ordinary with probably Tarver (who he was well past prime against when he beat him),Hill (an underrated performance) and maybe Gonzalez,Woods or Griffin as the next best.

His record at Lt Heavy doesn't compare with Moore's which you're also well aware of.

But taken as a whole and the manner in which Jones consistently performed and dominated his available opposition at Lt Heavy can't be underestimated or sold short. Before his excursion to Heavyweight he was easily defeating good solid fighters in a manner a champion should,impressively and with as little risk as he could.

Defending against as many different men (quite a few of them undefeated) and winning so easily is impressive as it is hard for any fighter to stay up all the time. Archie Moore himself went life and death against the crude Yvon Durelle who wasn't remotely in Archie's class but it just shows how even the very best can have bad nights but Jones was good enough to avoid this.

What annoys me is not that people think that Moore would beat Jones (which is very likely imo) but the levels to which they'll stoop to dismiss the very notion of Jones even sharing a ring with him and other old timers and the sneering,spiteful,condescending manner in which they do so.

Jones had some stylistic intangibles which could possibly cause some ATG fighters absolute fits and therefore he's absolutely worthy to be mentioned alongside these men.

 

Criticism's one thing but you said he wasn't a real fighter.

He was brave enough to actually step into a boxing ring in a professional capacity against someone actually throwing punches at him.

You weren't, so you sure as **** aren't qualified to call him a pretend fighter.

 

A very succinct post my friend and the absolute gist of my opinion on the matter as well :good

 

I can tell you one thing, Jones would have run to defend his championships against me so if Im nothing what does that make him and the complete whos who list of garbage he fought time and again.

Fighters are defined by the their competition, most of Jones competition, even as a paper champion, were not professional fighters and as such that makes Jones not a real fight. You can disagree but Ive noticed you still havent addressed or even denied any of the major points Ive stated (not that you could) so please, continue to expound your ignorance by giving a china chinned chicken **** a snowballs chance in hell against Archie Moore.

 

Agreed.

 

name them. i know the 2 you're thinking of and out of 50+ fights, "most" would mean at least 26 fighters weren't professional. wow, what a stat!

or was that

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I like making up facts to! Moore lost his first 30 fights by KO to a time travelling roy jones:bbb

 

What major points were these??

The positive drug test? Well you're right about that...to a point. Whilst technically he did test positive to anabolic steroids what he actually tested positve for was Androstenedione which is a natural steroid hormone which was legally available then (but has since been banned due to possible health effects) as an over the counter supplement called ripped fuel which Jones claimed to be using and I've no reason to doubt him. And calling it an anabolic steroid is actually only a matter of classification anyway as Androstendione has been proven to have no discernable anabolic effect whatsoever. And since he didn't get a suspension or lose his title, passed his drug test when retested and subsequently and previously passed every other drug test he had I find it a plausible explanation. Certainly a lot more believable than Holyfield and Mosley's BALCO explanations which they get a lot less crap for.

Also you accused him of roiding up for the Ruiz fight sighting an unofficial weight of 201 pounds and 30 pound weight gain.Even though you don't know the accuracey of those scales you're using something as flimsy as this to justify your accusations of drug abuse which is disgraceful for a so called historian. He OFFICIALLY weighed in at 193 an easily achievable (with a sensible diet and program) 18.5 pounds more than he weighed in his fight with Clinton Woods. I say easily achievable as 42 yrs old Bernard Hopkins put on a similar solid 15 pounds of muscle when going up to fight Antonio Tarver a scant 6 months after fighting Jermain Taylor and I don't ever see you questioning that.

You accused him of taking a soft touch when meeting Hopkins for his first title. Jones was as untested as Hopkins at that point and certainly didn't have his HBO contract to pick and choose who he was going to meet for a title fight. He was going for the first available title shot he could and didn't care who he was in with I'd say, same for Hopkins. They were the two top contenders and Jones comfortably beat a man who a scant 18 months later would be the best middleweight in the world and a future ATG. Some soft touch and not really a good example when trying to accuse him of cowardice.

Ditto when he went up to supermiddle and humiliated the divisions best fighter and p4p contender James Toney but that probably doesn't count for him either as Roy somehow made Toney lazy and fat probably.

Who were all these part timers he fought that weren't real fighters? Richard Frazier fair enough that was a disgraceful mismatch but who else?

Julio Cesar Gonzalez?

It's funny, when Jones whips him he's a garbage man but when he beats Michalczweski shortly after to become linear champ suddenly he's a professional fighter. What ****ing disgusting double standards.

I could go on but honestly it's wasted on a biased hack like you as it wont change your mind one little bit. I'm of the impression that you're an author of sorts so please remember to PM me your name so if you ever get a book published I can shoplift it (you wont get a cent out of me china) just so I can wipe my arse on it.:good

 

Klompton is just full of **** and vinegar because deep down he knows:

Jones KO1 Harry Greb

 

1. No drug testing results have been released, ripped fuel would see him test positive for ephedrine/stimulants, Twinlab had an over the counter Andro product too. They probably wouldn't test specifically for Andro, but Andro could give a test-dt reading. Taking any product produced in the same factory as an andro product could trigger a failed test - unlikely but possible. Both fighters failed their drugs test on Sample A, supposedly the Sample B came back clean? That would mean he passed the drugs test as both samples need to come back as positive

As it is maybe he did use PEDs - so what if he did, most great boxers cheat in the ring, I'm sure given the chance most will cheat outside the ring. Taking steroids won't make you a great fighter

2. Actually it's less than that as a LHW he would come into the ring at 185lbs, meaning he would have gained 8lbs

3. Jones probably has 2 opponents who had other jobs aswell as being pro boxers. I wonder how many of Greb/Moore's opponents had other jobs because Jersey Joe Walcott, he obviously must have been a bum

4. Klompton is nothing more than a troll when it comes to Jones, using lazy general forum myths instead of doing any valid research. He's done plenty of research on Greb and I really rated him as a historian for that era but this sheer lazy tabloid thought processes on other topics now makes me question him as a whole

5. If you steal his book, the shop would lose out not him

 

wow, PP and young griffo...you've done a pretty solid job of pointing out facts (except Jones KO1 Greb, but that was funny)

cue the usual...

"jones was protected"
"jones has no chin (ONE knockdown in his prime...)"
"ROID jones deserves no credit" (haha, roid jones, it's so ****ing clever...)
"jones beat mailmen and cops" (not a fact but who cares, it's the internet)
"compare roy jones' resume with [insert older fighter here]"

****, can someone please edit roy jones videos so they're in black and white, alter his opponents records to include 15 more loses and 127 more no contests, and give him a handlebar mustache so he gets some ****ing respect?

 

This thread is golden.

 

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holy ****! i've unearthed a hidden gem! a boxer no one has ever heard of....
CHOCOLATE SUGAR ROY McJONES!!!

He has a beautiful record of 8 wins, 47 losses, and 32 no contests. But since he was a middleweight weighing 160 pounds and his opponents were heavyweights weighing 161.5 pounds, he gets extra credit for overcoming such a MASSIVE size disadvantage even when he lost. He takes a ****ing DUMP on Roy Jones.

 

That my friend is a very intelligent argument and my hat is off to you for presenting it in that manner.

 

Archie Moore by KO...too savy...too tough...can you see RJJ taking the pounding that Moore took from Yvonne Durelle in their CLASSIC fight in Dec 1958....and then coming back to score a KO and keep the title???...me neither...